Author Topic: Open carry test (Read 2950 times)

Chairboy · « **Reply #45 on:** August 08, 2007, 10:41:51 PM »

That might be true in your country, but in the United States, it's considered a violation of constitutionally protected civil rights.

A right that isn't exercised is no right at all.

You may wish to review the following site:
http://papersplease.org/id.html

Flint · « **Reply #46 on:** August 08, 2007, 11:06:02 PM »

The headboy at my old school had the right to graze sheep and all manner of farmyard animals on the local common - needless to say he did not exercise that right.

Just because something can be done, doesn't mean it's obligatory. Responsiblilty works both ways. I understand that the man who was stopped exercised his legal rights but why not co-operate.

Why not pull out your driver's licence and say "here you go officer" I am who I say I am. I am exercising my right to legal carry. Oh yeah, and pls excuse my friend, he's just had a bit too much caffine.

Instead - let's take you're concern for saftey for the local citzens and turn it into a monty python sketcth.

"OOHHHHHHhh - did you see that! Help, I'm being oppressed!"

Both parties acted responsibly as far as I could tell. Moutains out of molehills.

SteveBailey · « **Reply #47 on:** August 08, 2007, 11:07:02 PM »

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Just saying that in this day and age there are a lot of liers out there - if you wern't a threat and had no weapons - no problem. The fact that you're carrying a 9mm, new to town and have an inciteful slogan on your t-shirt means maybe we should have a chat.

I mean jeez - Was calmly handled and no one got hurt. Pisses me off that guys who spend their lives trying to protect the communities that they grew up in and love are such easy targets.

Why does everyone have to be a lawer these days.

Cool, so you had a problem w/ his first amendment rights as well as his second. Why not go after the 4th as well? Take his shirt and gun.

Flint · « **Reply #48 on:** August 08, 2007, 11:21:26 PM »

1st - freedom of speech or religion no? No problem with that, you want to advertise you may have a few issues then that's just fine by me -

2nd - you believe you're in a militia, and have the right to bear arms - ok ... been a topic of discourse for decades, isn't ever going to end overnight.

4th - something about searches isn't it - ... without probable cause.

Vudak · « **Reply #49 on:** August 08, 2007, 11:36:29 PM »

Question -

If gun laws were restructured so that it was easier for law-abiding citizens to purchase, own, and carry firearms, with many less restrictions than some areas currently have, and if CCP's were less of a hassle to get, would it be a fair trade-off to have to carry your CCP and/or DL and produce it when asked?

Because I understand that there are many, many people in this country who really will stop at nothing to get rid of the guns (good luck

) and for that reason, I can see how people would currently be aghast at any more chipping away of their rights (such as having to produce a license), perhaps seeing it as one more nail in the coffin... But, at the same time, I have a hard time justifying the sentence, "It is unreasonable for a citizen to be required to carry and show, when asked, identification proving that he/she is in fact, legally entitled to carry his/her firearm."

Don't get me wrong - I'm not for restricting firearms. I'm for, on average, lessening restrictions against them, but I do think this is one little chip that would be worth taking. If you have your permit, you go on your way. It might take 10 minutes, sure, but, then again, so did this video, right?

I'm not trying to stir the pot here, and if anyone would like to convince me otherwise, I'll listen with open ears.

Edit - I would like to make it clear that I've reviewed the site Chairboy listed, and am not convinced by the argument that since "well financed" terrorists would be able to get around intricate IDs, they're not worth much.

FiLtH · « **Reply #50 on:** August 09, 2007, 12:35:45 AM »

Its common sense. I mean if the guy was walking down the road with a can of gas and a lit torch, committing no crime, wouldnt you want to check him out? Both are legal to carry...but in the wrong hands dangerous. A guy walking down the road, especially how they appeared to be doing it, would make me stop and ask some questions.

What would have happened to that cop if he had said.."Howdy sir " and 5 minutes later that guy pulled his piece and shot someone?

People would be screaming that the cop should be charged. We live in a screwed up world. If that guy was such a respectful citizen he would have showed the cop his license and said " I hope I didnt cause a stir, but I am in my rights to carry this weapon. I have no felonies."

This land of victims is too busy being victimized than to use a little common sense and restraint.

SteveBailey · « **Reply #51 on:** August 09, 2007, 12:42:51 AM »

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Its common sense. I mean if the guy was walking down the road with a can of gas and a lit torch, committing no crime, wouldnt you want to check him out?

The above guy could be construed as commiting Disorderly Conduct and could be arrested.

lazs2 · « **Reply #52 on:** August 09, 2007, 09:06:47 AM »

I find that I agree somewhat with vudak.

Open carry should be the right of the state and/or city or private property owner to decide..

call it an "attractive nuisance" if you will... forbid open carry in the city limits but...

the state has no right to say you can't be armed. concealed carry should be perfectly legal.

lazs

Shuffler · « **Reply #53 on:** August 09, 2007, 11:47:45 AM »

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This is an important thing to know: you have a legal right to resist an unlawful arrest. Believe it or not, this includes deadly force. If a cop pulls a gun on you in an unlawful arrest, and you end up killng the cop, you have committed no crime.

Many folks here do not even read directions to play a game.... you think they would school themselves in law to be able to tell the difference between lawful and illegal. NO! Many would think, hey this aint right, and then follow your directions.

Complying with the Officer is a good idea... unless your a trouble maker.

Thrawn · « **Reply #54 on:** August 09, 2007, 12:02:35 PM »

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
The above guy could be construed as commiting Disorderly Conduct and could be arrested.

Disorderly Conduct, wow. Now there is a totally arbitrary and nebulous concept that could be applied to any freaking behaviour one desires.

SteveBailey · « **Reply #55 on:** August 09, 2007, 12:13:13 PM »

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Disorderly Conduct, wow. Now there is a totally arbitrary and nebulous concept that could be applied to any freaking behaviour one desires.

It is pretty much a catch all, you're right about that. In the case of the guy carry the can of gas and a lit torch though, it gives the cop a lawful reason to stop the guy and thus deter him from committing whatever bad intent he had.

AWMac · « **Reply #56 on:** August 09, 2007, 12:13:14 PM »

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Posted by Filth
Its common sense. I mean if the guy was walking down the road with a can of gas and a lit torch, committing no crime, wouldnt you want to check him out? Both are legal to carry...but in the wrong hands dangerous. A guy walking down the road, especially how they appeared to be doing it, would make me stop and ask some questions.

How can you compare your above senario, gas and torch to this?

The guy was just walking, open carry, that's all. Now if he had the weapon drawn and was ducking from corner to corner that would be a different story.

Arizona has Open Carry. I've seen many people with side arms in public. I haven't seen a Fast Food Francise were a gunman enters and opens fire on the crowd like in Hmmmmm.... lets see... Texas maybe?

Open Carry gives a bad guy alot to think about before going Postal.

Mac

SteveBailey · « **Reply #57 on:** August 09, 2007, 12:14:24 PM »

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Complying with the Officer is a good idea... unless your a trouble maker.

So if an officer is making an unlawful arrest you are a trouble maker for resisting?

SteveBailey · « **Reply #58 on:** August 09, 2007, 12:17:56 PM »

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Originally posted by AWMac

Arizona has Open Carry. I've seen many people with side arms in public. I haven't seen a Fast Food Francise were a gunman enters and opens fire on the crowd like in Hmmmmm.... lets see... Texas maybe?

Open Carry gives a bad guy alot to think about before going Postal.

Mac

Yup, I open carry here now and then but usually go concealed.

I've never heard of a robery where the criminal walked in with open carry. In the surveillance videos you almost always see the guy pull a gun from concealment. It goes to follow then that people that open carry are very unlikely to have evil deeds on their mind.

AWMac · « **Reply #59 on:** August 09, 2007, 12:29:50 PM »

I Tott ally (Pun intended) agree with you Steve.

Open Carry is a dam good deterence to Crime.

If a guy hellbent on doing evil with a concealed weapon walks into a bank and notices several customers packin sidearms... I think he'd have second thoughts on robbing the Bank.

Mac