Proof P47 is handy capped

[Uriel]

no replies needed read it yourself:

Republic P-47D-35-RA Vital Statistics  
Type: Single seat fighter/bomber

Power Plant: one 2,535-hp (wet rating) Pratt & Whitney R-2800-59W Double Wasp radial piston engine

Performance

Maximum Speed (clean)

363 mph (584km/h) at 5,000 ft

433 mph (697km/h) at 30,000 ft

Initial Climb:

3,200 ft (976m) per minute

Service Ceiling: 41,000 ft (12495m)

Range: (Max external fuel, three drop tanks) 1,800 miles (2897 km) at 195 (314 km/h) at 10,000 ft (3050m)
 Weights:
Empty: 9,950 lb (4513 kg)

Loaded Max Takeoff): 17,500 lb (7,938 kg)

Dimensions

Span: 40 ft 9 in (12.42m)

Length: 36 ft 2 in (11.02m)

Height: 14 ft 8 in (4.47m)

Wing Area: 300 sq. ft (27.87m2)

Armament

8 X 0.5 (12.7mm) machine guns

Bomb Load: 2500 lb (1134 kg) including bombs and up to 8 rockets

source is:  http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/P-47.html

[FrodeMk3]

....Your point being???

[Uriel]

everyone kept asking for the charts here they are boys.
this place has real WW2 training video's and combat charts
read it and weep suckers
the P47 is handi-capped in the game

[Furball]

You have also just provided proof that you are, as we all thought, a cretin.

[Hoffman]

You do of course realize that the 109's Climb rate is ~4,000 FPM with WEP?
And 3500-3800 depending on fuel load on Military Power?

(K4 Model)

[Karnak]

In what way does that remotely qualify as proof?

Try getting some primary documents to back up your argument.

You do know what "primary documents" are, correct?

[LePaul]

I dont know where to start with your post.

You didn't spell "handicaped" right

HiTech has personally answered your challenges in your previous thread.

Widewing and others have tried to show you that being the biggest motor in the game doesn't mean you'll win everytime.  

The points you keep missing...

1)  Average fights in AH are well under 10k.  The ideal alt for the P-47 is way up high.

2)  The P-47 may have a big motor, it also weighs a lot!  You continue to miss the fact that the German planes are vastly lighter and ideal down low.

3)  Your sources, such as the History Channel cited before, is not the one-stop know it all of P-47 info.

You seem skewed and determined to make the P-47 the "F-16" of WW2.  It wasn't.  It has its strengths and weaknesses, like any aircraft.  

You seem to be stuck at one point in its performance rather than analyzing the complete package.

[Uriel]

Originally posted by Karnak
In what way does that remotely qualify as proof?

Try getting some primary documents to back up your argument.

You do know what "primary documents" are, correct?

ah see what I mean? pure denial.. this is a 35 not even a D-40 no paddle prop yet but a jug loaded with 8 50's does not go 363 at 5k in this game.. not without diving.. anyways I have done my duty.. here are real charts and real training videos declassified... you pay for them

[Uriel]

Originally posted by LePaul
I dont know where to start with your post.

You didn't spell "handicaped" right

HiTech has personally answered your challenges in your previous thread.

Widewing and others have tried to show you that being the biggest motor in the game doesn't mean you'll win everytime.  

The points you keep missing...

1)  Average fights in AH are well under 10k.  The ideal alt for the P-47 is way up high.

2)  The P-47 may have a big motor, it also weighs a lot!  You continue to miss the fact that the German planes are vastly lighter and ideal down low.

3)  Your sources, such as the History Channel cited before, is not the one-stop know it all of P-47 info.

You seem skewed and determined to make the P-47 the "F-16" of WW2.  It wasn't.  It has its strengths and weaknesses, like any aircraft.  

You seem to be stuck at one point in its performance rather than analyzing the complete package.

how about rated speed? and climb.. try taking a jug up with full fuel with 8 50's and reach 3200 feet per minute I dare you.. I fly them all the time I know what they can do.. as fur a spllin tihs si no shcool gruond

[Hoffman]

Alright fine, here's your Emperical Bloody Evidence Uriel.

I just went Offline, Grabbed a D-40, put in on 25% fuel load took off no flaps full WEP.  Took a SS once the climb rate stabilized.  Here it is.




Here's a 109 K4, same deal.

[Karnak]

Uriel,

Show evidence that it should do 363mph at 5000ft.

You have not done that at all.

You must use primary documentation to do so.

EDIT:

Here are some graphs from Mosquito oriented primary documents:



This page has lots and lots of primary documentation for many different WWII aircraft on it:

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/

Read through some of them.

[Scherf]

But then, Uriel would understand something about being handy-capped.

I mean, really.

Fargin troll.

[DaddyAck]

Guys, why are we all still bothering here with our endevors to have a logical discussion?  This guy obviously has his oppinions and will not even hear what y'all are saying.  Everyone just relax and let him keep dreaming of his super jug, HT already said its modelled as it was so why keep feeding the fire?

[Uriel]

Originally posted by Hoffman
Alright fine, here's your Emperical Bloody Evidence Uriel.

I just went Offline, Grabbed a D-40, put in on 25% fuel load took off no flaps full WEP.  Took a SS once the climb rate stabilized.  Here it is.




Here's a 109 K4, same deal.

see thats 25 percent fuel.. not performing like chart above anyways.. I think some of you guys will like that site.. its got really great authentic stuff if nothing else comes of this enjoy, but Im officially done making my point

[LePaul]

Well I'm out.  You can't cure stupid.