Proof P47 is handy capped

[Bronk]

Originally posted by SlapShot
The API rounds would only cause a plane to burst into fire if they hit something flammable ... I would think.

Ohh no these are +5 api rounds, right ssDruid?


Bronk

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by ssDruid
Yes you are correct on the fact that the API would only cause certain items to catch on fire. Wait a minute, most planes in WW2 were made out of Depleted Uranium and it would take an Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot with Tracer (APFSDS-T) to knock out of the sky. The 50 cal is underrated in this game. It has a tracer burn out of 1800 meters. Okay lets see that is 1.8K on game visual range. Unless you have actually been behind the triggers of a real .50 cal then you can't possibly know what it's true capabilities are.

A real M1A1 Abrams Tank Master Gunner is what I am. If you do not know what that means look it up and learn.

.50 cals work fine for me ... I have no problem ripping wings off at D600 and under and no problem taking parts off at D800. The frustrating part for most who use .50 cals in this game is that they really don't know how to use them ... they have a "cannon" mentality and that doens't work for .50 cals.

I salute your service for this country, but your condecending attitude and smugness don't suit you well ("look it up and learn").

Yeah your ... "A real M1A1 Abrams Tank Master Gunner" ... that and a nickel won't get you a cup of coffee in my shop with that attitude.

Also, when addressing someone you have no clue about ... don't assume that they know less than you or have not had similar experiences as you.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by ssDruid
Yes you are correct on the fact that the API would only cause certain items to catch on fire. Wait a minute, most planes in WW2 were made out of Depleted Uranium and it would take an Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot with Tracer (APFSDS-T) to knock out of the sky. The 50 cal is underrated in this game. It has a tracer burn out of 1800 meters. Okay lets see that is 1.8K on game visual range. Unless you have actually been behind the triggers of a real .50 cal then you can't possibly know what it's true capabilities are.

A real M1A1 Abrams Tank Master Gunner is what I am. If you do not know what that means look it up and learn.

Why can I repeatedly without fail, saw a wing off in about 2 seconds, in a Spit 1?    The problem isn't the ammo, it's the person pulling the trigger.  

You can stop with your "Civilian's don't know watermelon Campaign" from the other night in LW Blue.

[E25280]

Originally posted by ssDruid
Another concern would the how the armament rating is set in this game. As all true veterans will tell you, the API ( that is Armor Piercing Incendiary for you non-military types) for the .50 Caliber Machine Guns, will literally burst a plane into flames after a quick hit from these rounds. And yes they were used in WW2 and a lot of the old warstock from that war is still being used today in the desert theaters.

I recall several discussions of how the ammunition is modeled in AH.  Individual rounds are not modeled, rather their lethality is averaged over what a typical belt would carry.  Which is to say, if a typical belt used only 20% API rounds, then the lethality reflects that mix.  This may be why it seems "underpowered" to you if in your experience you typically see .50s shooting off nothing but API rounds.

[ssDruid]

Go to Al Khalidyah, Iraq and ask them about the 50 cal. And yes it can saw wings off in this game. But it is still not represented correctly. The ammo has more punch and knock down power than is displayed. Enough said on this matter. I am more than willing to loan my 50 cal ammunition firing tables to anyone who would like to see them.

[Masherbrum]

I think you are having convergence issues.

[ssDruid]

Give me a break. Convergence is set upon mission/ flight requirments. Higher convergence for longer engagements and lower convergence for furballs.
How many rounds of API does it take to kill a BRDM/ Truck? That would be three to ten. And it has armor on it.
The are no issues. Things need to be fixed to truly make this game the best featured item on the web. In the late war arenas there should be more vehicles types at the disposal of ground runners. Where are the late model Tiger 1s, Panther A, D, G; King Tiger Aus A and B and etc. If information is needed on these I am right down the road from HTC and would be more than willing to supply the best material references to make this game a true winner.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by bj229r
Widewing on the propeller chart, which one represents the 'paddle' prop, and did anyone notice the charts show the "N" with a greater climb rate than the "D"? In AH, N falls behind D40 in climb rate with similar loads about 20% across the board

The Curtiss 714 is the standard narrow chord "toothpick" prop. The 836 is the Curtiss wide chord "paddle" type. The H&S 6507A-2 is also a wide chord prop.

You can read a NACA test of the H&S prop tested on a YP-47M here.

As to the climb of the P-47N, the report shows WEP being used. Without WEP, the N will fall behind the D model (in MIL power), because they have the same HP, but the N is heavier.

My regards,

Widewing

[Major Biggles]

druid the 50 cals are easily the best guns in the game if you know how and when to shoot. i'd much rather have 6 or 8 50's than 4 hispanos.

at or around convergence distance, in a good tracking shot, a 1/4-1/2 second burst usually rips both wings and the tail off for me, they're deadly, you just need to learn how to use them. they aren't that great as single rounds like the cannons are, because they aren't explosive. hit with a lot of them though, and i think they do more damage on average than a 20mm burst because of the better ballistics and ROF.

[RELIC]

I think I may have found the problem:
Tour 91 Fighter Scores for ssDruid
Kills Hit Percentage 2.28

[Panzzer]

I'd recommend some of Tony Williams' books, or you can read about the guns, cannons and ammunition at his website, especially the article on World War 2 gun effectiveness (edit: specifically fighter armament).

edit2: spelling.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by RELIC
I think I may have found the problem:
Tour 91 Fighter Scores for ssDruid
Kills Hit Percentage 2.28

I knew I had it pegged.   Thanks for checking RELIC.

[ssDruid]

How about Jentz and Doyle's book on the Tigers and Panthers. Or you can go spend about 250 dollars and pick up the hard back editions of Tigers in Combat Vol.1 and Tigers in Combat Vol.2. Or I can sell you mine for about the same price because they are out of print. I will just pull it out of my library of other books that I have on military weapon systems. If you believe things found on the internet and Wikepedia then you are truly hurting for information. Manuals, reference books are the only way to go unless you have first hand experience on a specific weapon system.

And yes Major Biggles, I agree with you completely. It has to be used properly with correct convergence. Thanks for your great confidence boost on the 50 Cal.

[ssDruid]

Originally posted by RELIC
I think I may have found the problem:
Tour 91 Fighter Scores for ssDruid
Kills Hit Percentage 2.28

And for scores, there is only one true score. Kill or be killed. And I have passed that test for real. How about you.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by ssDruid
And for scores, there is only one true score. Kill or be killed. And I have passed that test for real. How about you.

You've been playing this game for three months.    Your accuracy is more in tune to your whine.  

Your "military superiority" has yet to impress no one but yourself.   Furthermore, never begin a sentence with the word "and", you did it twice.