chairboy

[storch]

how has your surgery worked out for you?  have to gotten down to to your desired weight?  if so did you keep the weight off?

[Chairboy]

The surgery was great, but I'm not down to my target weight, mostly because of bad eating habits.  I've lost a lot, though, and I feel great because of the exercise I can do.  I had the adjustable gastric band put in, for anyone curious.

Nobody is responsible for my weight but myself, and every time I drink a milkshake, I know that I'm torpedoing my own cause, but I walk 2-3 miles a day on dedicated power walks at a minimum, and occasionally go to the gym at work, so I'm holding my own bad eating habits at bay, even if I'm not gaining ground right now.

The surgery, any surgery, is just a tool, not a miracle cure.  My wife lost a lot of weight and has kept most of it off, but we're both looking at our food habits and getting ready to make another stab at fixing our lifestyle stuff so we can USE the tool properly.

Thanks for your concern, though!  I still recommend this wholeheartedly over the gastric bypass for anyone who's obese but not crazy-circus-fat.  It's less invasive and doesn't require re-plumbing the insides.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjustable_gastric_band

[storch]

thanks for the reply.  I started running one hour every day about a year ago in hopes of curbing my weight gain.  inspite of the running I gained seventeen pounds in that year.  one month ago I subjected myself to the tortures of working with a nutritionist because my doc said it has to be my eating habits.  I started the nutrisystem thing as part of the solution and in two weeks I have lost ten pounds and am now losing about a pound a day but I'm hungry all day long and I'm eating cardboard with sauces.  I'm still running but am considering the surgery as an alternative.  I have to shed sixty pounds.  aside from being considerably over weight I'm healthy and active but I can't balloon any further because it's getting difficult to tie my shoelaces.  

[indy007]

A guy I train with went from 360 to 205 over several months. No surgery, no diet change. ... BUT ... he works out for several hours, 5+ days a week. Running, weights, kickboxing, and grappling.

[storch]

I suppose if one has the time to workout for 5 hours a day you could burn the calories you ingest.  I'm consuming 1500 calories a day but burning about 2500 according to the doc.  my fat is visceral fat and not between the skin and the muscles, from what I understand this is a very serious type of fat problem.

[AquaShrimp]

In order to lose one pound of fat, a person must run at least 72 miles.

Heres I came up with that.

A pound of fat is 3600 calories.

A person metabolizes 100 calories per mile (no matter what speed).

The most trained marathon runners, who burn fat at the utmost efficient rate, only obtain about 50% of their energy from fat.  The rest comes from glycogen.  So at best, a person is metabolizing less than 50% fat per mile.

So figuring 50% fat and 50% glycogen (best case scenario), it would take 72 miles to metabolize a pound of fat.

[indy007]

Originally posted by storch
I suppose if one has the time to workout for 5 hours a day you could burn the calories you ingest.  I'm consuming 1500 calories a day but burning about 2500 according to the doc.  my fat is visceral fat and not between the skin and the muscles, from what I understand this is a very serious type of fat problem.

I have no clue what the different types of fat are. I've had < 2% body fat since elementary school. My problem is the opposite. Unless I spend 10+ hours a week in the gym, I don't gain weight. Diet doesn't even matter. I consume on average over 3000 calories a day.

No surgery to help me out though Only 2 medical options are either implants to pretend like I have muscles and not actually be any stronger, or start taking HGH.

I said to hell with it and came to grips with the fact I'm gonna me this size my whole life unless I win the lottery and have the time to train more.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by storch
I suppose if one has the time to workout for 5 hours a day you could burn the calories you ingest.  I'm consuming 1500 calories a day but burning about 2500 according to the doc.  my fat is visceral fat and not between the skin and the muscles, from what I understand this is a very serious type of fat problem.

I just signed up for a gym myself and probably have a slight visceral fat issue.   I've watched portions, cut out most pop (I'll have a rare Coke plus once every other week, if that) and now drink almost a gallon of water a day.

Visceral fat is tougher to get rid of than subcutaneous fat.    I worked with a co-worker who is a body-builder and competes in "natural tourneys" (no roids, etc).   He helped me to lose the weight I've already lost.    I eat regualr oatmeal in the morning (no sugar), and consume the carbs in the morning, and burn them throughout the day.   I'll be working out with a buddy so it helps to keep focused and motivated.

I'm like you, I cannot workout 5 hours a day.   It'll be 2 hours if I'm lucky.   Having a 5 year old son makes it tougher yet.  

<> storch (I know you and I have had go arounds, but I hold no grudge).

[68Hawk]

Keep strong you guys!

My overly skinny bellybutton is going through the same thing right now with quitting smoking and trying to build up body mass.  Its not easy either.  

Martial arts is a great and fun way to get in shape.  I especially recommend a dojo that teaches weapons classes.  Get fit and learn to kick butt at the same time!  The Sai are my favorite, and you may like them too.

Just to contrast my experience, I have a hard time working up an appetite.  It really sucks when my stomach feels empty but I have no wish to put anything in it.  You guys may envy that, but at the same time I envy being able to eat when you want to.  Its not often any more that I get to really enjoy sinking my teeth into my food, and I miss it.  I eat for sustenance out of a utilitarian concern, and it might as well be cardboard.  I think I had a small Quiznos sub yesterday, spread out.  

The main thing I'm trying is to replace the smoking with exercise.  If I want a cig I try to go out and jog for 10 min or so.  That makes me really not want to smoke, especially at 5280 ft.  Is there some way you can replace your milkshake and not just ignore it?  I don't know, chug some water or something?  Just trying to help.

[Eagler]

willpower - not everyone has as much as they could use

[storch]

I didn't start gaining weight until I turned forty but in the last decade I gained sixty pounds.  I guess my body is just slowing down but I'm tired of being a fat bellybutton and I'm concerned with health issues down the road a ways.

[Neubob]

Originally posted by AquaShrimp
In order to lose one pound of fat, a person must run at least 72 miles.

Heres I came up with that.

A pound of fat is 3600 calories.

A person metabolizes 100 calories per mile (no matter what speed).

The most trained marathon runners, who burn fat at the utmost efficient rate, only obtain about 50% of their energy from fat.  The rest comes from glycogen.  So at best, a person is metabolizing less than 50% fat per mile.

So figuring 50% fat and 50% glycogen (best case scenario), it would take 72 miles to metabolize a pound of fat.

So you're saying that a 250 pound person burns as many calories for every mile travelled as does a 125 pound person?

[indy007]

Originally posted by 68Hawk
Martial arts is a great and fun way to get in shape.  I especially recommend a dojo that teaches weapons classes.  Get fit and learn to kick butt at the same time!  The Sai are my favorite, and you may like them too.

Bah, drop the wax on wax off silliness Full speed, full resistance sparring is the way. More useful techniques, much more intense workout. I do 3 hours two nights a week, and about to start Judo on the weekends. First few classes, I was ready to hurl after thirty minutes. Now I only occasionally throw up near the end of class. The downside is that submission grappling is really hard on your joints, and I still feel like I want to die after most classes. Probably the most intense workout I've ever had.

I didn't start gaining weight until I turned forty but in the last decade I gained sixty pounds. I guess my body is just slowing down but I'm tired of being a fat bellybutton and I'm concerned with health issues down the road a ways.

It's just work. It sucks, but it is what it is.

[AquaShrimp]

Originally posted by Neubob
So you're saying that a 250 pound person burns as many calories for every mile travelled as does a 125 pound person?

Weight does influence calories burned, but not by a huge amount.  The initial 100 calories per mile calculation was based on a 170lb person.  Probably less than a 25 calorie difference per mile.

[storch]

Originally posted by indy007
Bah, drop the wax on wax off silliness Full speed, full resistance sparring is the way. More useful techniques, much more intense workout. I do 3 hours two nights a week, and about to start Judo on the weekends. First few classes, I was ready to hurl after thirty minutes. Now I only occasionally throw up near the end of class. The downside is that submission grappling is really hard on your joints, and I still feel like I want to die after most classes. Probably the most intense workout I've ever had.
 

 absolutely, kumite is the best way to actually learn to fight.  however kata is important, as the practioner learns the forms he is also developing muscle memory.  in time the moves become fluid, the style becomes second nature.  this is especially important when it comes to blocking and turning your blocks into blows or in other stuff, like catching a falling object or maintaining balance.  I had to stop fighting about two years ago after damaging my ankle, tearing my achilles tendon.  I don't think it will fully return to the way it was.  but even so I was gaining weight while working out at the dojo three nights a week.

it really is all about limiting intake and not so much excercise.