Author Topic: AH religious Scholars (Read 2474 times)

moot · « **Reply #105 on:** August 25, 2007, 06:56:17 PM »

**** if I know... What I want now is enough time to figure it out. If only we had more time.

bustr · « **Reply #106 on:** August 25, 2007, 08:20:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Bolo6
First off, All I have offered are questions which none of you have answered fully if even at all.

Lets take sura 9-29 for example. The one I read says God not Allah,teleologic.com. Big difference. I read the sura and take it to mean fight those who do not beleive at all. Try leaving your computer and going into a library. I think the teleologic blog is anything but reputable. And Dr Housmand is Iranian, but she is not Muslim. She has a very interesting story about her escape from the Khomeni, but ya'll wouldn't be interested in that. I could attempt to refute what some of you are saying by finding other websites, but I prefer to go to a library instead. Or talk to a muslim before I condem the entire religion. I have an open mind, most of you don't. That can't be changed by me on a bulletin board. Islam is no better that Christianity or Judaism.

PS
WMLUte the question is who the hell is Mckinely Morganfield?

Bolo,

If now this is the real truth of your position as opposed to your assumption of vauge moral Islamic superiority during most of the begining of this thread, you have walked the line of disengenousness and stepped with purpose over it. Depending on the sect, country, tribe, family and personal agenda of the muslim asked to translate the quran, an infidel will receive that many translations and most deniging antipathy with commands to act with extream prejudice against non beleivers of Islam.

Your above statement about the good Dr. Housmand not being muslim, but Persian and her escape from Khomeni is what led me to ask if she and yourself practice sufism. The Persian form to be specific. I vaugly remembered something about her and Iran from an article a long time ago. Persian sufism is not considered Islamic by muslims. If I remember correctly the good Iranian mulla's used to persicute including to death the followers of Persian Sufism with the same vigor as their hatred of all of us americans and westerners on this board.

There is a new feminist movement amongst middle eastern women to retranslate the quran to the peace love and grooviness version you have been answering from to the questioners in this forum. They are trying to rewrite it to change the original positions on a womans place in historicly traditional Islam. Kinda like american gays have been attempting to rewrite the Christian bible passages that deem carnal relations between same sex partners is a sin.

If you are going to sell a religion, be forth coming enough to explain to your rubes(con marks) which brand of smoke and mirrors you represent.

Tango · « **Reply #107 on:** August 25, 2007, 08:49:01 PM »

So where did Bolo6 go?

Tachus · « **Reply #108 on:** August 25, 2007, 09:14:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Tango
So where did Bolo6 go?

I'm not sure, but I feel pretty confident, that he has NOT gone to look up any of the numerous sources that have be cited here, nor to find any reasonable sources of his own. Unless of course, he is acting in a way completely contrary to his previous behavior.

Best regards,
--Tachus

john9001 · « **Reply #109 on:** August 25, 2007, 09:28:06 PM »

it's not so much what the Koran says as how it is interpreted.

Tachus · « **Reply #110 on:** August 25, 2007, 09:44:31 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
it's not so much what the Koran says as how it is interpreted.

This is true, to a point. However, regardless of the document, there are certain principles that should be applied in order understand the author's intent. If those are applied properly, "most" of the time people can arrive at a similar conclusion. In those cases they don't, there is usually an agenda involved.

I addressed this in a previous post in this thread, (on the third page, if you want to look) so I will not repost it all here.

The short version is this, "what" a religion teaches, is based on what the supporting documents "teach" not what people say, or how they act.

For example, the Bible clearly teaches adultery is wrong, and any interpretation outside of that, is one that has violated a HOST of the proper principles required to interpret it correctly.

Best regards,
--Tachus

Bolo6 · « **Reply #111 on:** August 26, 2007, 01:46:56 AM »

Bolo6 was out getting drunk.
Look guys, never in any of my post have I claimed to be islamic or an expert on the Qu'ran. I only sggested that none of you know the tru nature of islam. i also submitted that Islam was not a religion of violence any more than Christianity of Judaism. If you beleive that you know what all muslims think, I think you are making a pretty big assumption since none of you have talked to even a majority of muslims. You all seem to be happy with listening to what you are told. I've spent time in the middle east and I never met a muslim that wanted to kill me. If i met one here I would do my best to kill them first. I refuse however to condem all muslims based on the actions of a few extremists.
i will admit that i was vauge on my position and these posting will definitely improve my debate skills. Thanks. If someone wishes to harm my nation, they should be dealt with accordingly, but we can't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Based on some of these post, some of you would advocate a muslim genocide to protect us and can any of you state that that is a valid, rational way to solve a conflict?

bustr · « **Reply #112 on:** August 26, 2007, 02:54:58 AM »

Bolo,

3000 of our bretherin and "kind" were murdered by cowardly sneak attack on September 11, 2001 in New York city. The men murdering ours were muslim from Islam and muslims from Islam on that day were extatic and in the streets around the world dancing with JOY.

You are either with THEM or with the Citizens of the United States! When Islam hunts down and incarcerates or eliminates publicly ALL of its membership who hold performing 9/11 style activities against Americans a sin and a crime of the most extream nature against human beings, Citizens of the United States will be there to listen.

Until that time, God of either religion never told his followers to accept destruction at the hands of their enemy's. In the Christian religion it is a sin to commit suicide. Turning the other cheek to the members of Islam who are even now attempting to aquire nuclear wheapons to end our lives is suicide and a sin against OUR GOD. Islamic law directs it's members to murder us.

Your use of Dr. Housmand as an interpriter of the quran is flawed and worng. She is in league with Islamic feminists who in in their own way are lieing as much as the quran directs its members to lie to infidels.

Islam is not a peace love and groovienss religion. Western Feminists have caused their own form of cultural genocide in the west. Don't try to sell this small slice of the west on the new Feminist translation of the quran. I don't hear any Islamic feminists decrying 9/11 the same as I don't hear any western feminists decrying 9/11. Take your one woman sissy band back to Dr. Housmand and tell her the men of the United States are not buying yet another line of feminist dogma.

Tango · « **Reply #113 on:** August 26, 2007, 07:30:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Bolo6
I only sggested that none of you know the tru nature of islam. i also submitted that Islam was not a religion of violence any more than Christianity of Judaism.

How can you say that? Quotes from the koran in this thread have shown how it promotes violence against anyone who isn' a muslim. I think that goes a LONG way in showing the true nature of islam.