Author Topic: Red light cameras as a trojan horse (Read 1137 times)

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #30 on:** August 01, 2007, 07:53:32 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
In this country... If you tell people that it will save lives or money then you can pretty much take any freedom they have from em.

Ya all buckle up now ya heah?

lazs

now THAT is Tagline material

Chairboy · « **Reply #31 on:** August 25, 2007, 12:46:38 PM »

The inevitable next step is coming, there's now a formal proposal in the works to start installing cameras in houses in the UK:

http://www.trevor-mendham.com/atuxviii/blog/2007/08/big-brother-cameras-proposed-for-uk.html

McFarland · « **Reply #32 on:** August 25, 2007, 01:04:55 PM »

And the citizens will have no say in the matter, they have no guns to defend themselves with. Except for the large long barreled rifles that are little good in close combat.

Nashwan · « **Reply #33 on:** August 25, 2007, 01:38:19 PM »

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The inevitable next step is coming, there's now a formal proposal in the works to start installing cameras in houses in the UK

Hardly a "formal proposal".

As the article you linked to says:

"It needs to be stressed that this is just the idea of one academic - Professor Neil McKeganey of the centre for Drug Misuse Research at Glasgow University"

I don't know how things operate in the US, but in the UK no one takes outlandish suggestions by a university professor very seriously. 3 years ago the same prof said that female drug addicts should be paid to take long term contraception. That idea sank without trace too, even though it was far less controversial and far more sensible. He's also suggested the children of drug addicts should be removed from their parents and taken in to local authority care, and no one paid any attention to that, either.

Bolo6 · « **Reply #34 on:** August 25, 2007, 01:53:30 PM »

I'm with chairboy on this one. If you want to see the extent that camera and technology can be used to control a population, look no further than the PRC (China). In conjunction with companies such as Google and Yahoo, they have put together a surveillance and police apparatus that will send chills down your spine. I don't think that liberty and safety are as big of a concern as revenue for the state in this case. What amazes me is that our governments will use technology to watch citizens, but they can't keep track of dangerous sex offendres and the like. Go figure.

Chairboy · « **Reply #35 on:** August 25, 2007, 02:06:08 PM »

They're getting people used to the idea. "Sure," folks say, "I guess that sounds reasonable..."

BaDkaRmA158Th · « **Reply #36 on:** August 25, 2007, 02:17:43 PM »

Bolo & chairboy got it right.

But men, remember every city has the power lines runing under the sidewalks or the street.

Blow that up, they have no lights no cameras..no action.

Corse at that time you will be labled a terrorest or enemy of state and hunted down and executed.
SWOON, it just keeps getting better and better!

lazs2 · « **Reply #37 on:** August 26, 2007, 10:10:25 AM »

at this point it is probly too big to fight. When you were young you escaped the nanny state by moving out of the house.

Now.. the nanny state is any large group of womanly adults. If you move out away from the concentrations of em you can get some peace and freedom...

so long as you keep a fairly low profile. You sure as hell don't want to get em outraged or point out how enslaved they are bu your example.

I have seen people actually get angry that I wasn't wearing a seatbelt.. saying you don't on this board will get angry responses.

lazs

DoctorYO · « **Reply #38 on:** August 28, 2007, 10:30:40 AM »

I can confirm as storch said these cameras are in full force in broward (go figure atta, padilla etc..)

Its funny though... they are pointed at the windshields of the vehicle not the intersection...

IMO that could only mean one thing.. face recognition... or pure incompetence in angling the cameras for red light runners... take you pick..

this is already happening ..... old news...

DoctorYo

Airscrew · « **Reply #39 on:** August 28, 2007, 01:43:43 PM »

here's something I ran across while looking for something else... I think it fits....

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The Source: The Best of Pogo, Edited by Mrs. Walt Kelly and Bill Crouch Jr. A Fireside Book, published by Simon & Schuster, Copyright 1982 by Walt Kelly Estate
The Chapter: ZEROING IN ON THOSE POLLUTERS: WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US, By Walt Kelly, Page 224. Beginning with the sixth paragraph:

“In the time of Joseph McCarthyism, celebrated in the Pogo strip by a character named Simple J. Malarkey, I attempted to explain each individual is wholly involved in the democratic process, work at it or no. The results of the process fall on the head of the public and he who is recalcitrant or procrastinates in raising his voice can blame no one but himself. An introduction to Pogo Papers, published by Simon and Schuster in 1952-53, said in part:

‘...Specializations and markings of individuals everywhere abound in such profusion that major idiosyncrasies can be properly ascribed to the mass. Traces of nobility, gentleness and courage persist in all people, do what we will to stamp out the trend. So, too, do those characteristics which are ugly. It is just unfortunate that in the clumsy hands of the cartoonist all traits become ridiculous, leading to a certain amount of self conscious expostulation and the desire to join battle.’

‘There is no need to sally forth, for it remains true that those things which make us human are, curiously enough, always close at hand. Resolve, then, that on this very ground, with small flags waving and tiny blasts of tiny trumpets, we shall meet the enemy, and not only may he be ours, he may be us.’