A general question

[Rich46yo]

How far from a enemy airbase do you have to be before you cant be seen by fighters? Say Im up 15,000' to 20,000' and they are in that ME-163 and up high themselves. Or another fighter? Its starting to strike me as strange how enemy fighters show up in meaningless sections of map.

                          Then there is the other possibility. That players share information on their own team in order to run up their kills. You can see you own teams little green dots anywhere on the board right? How hard would it be to mssg, phone call, or even sit side by side with a friend on the enemies team and share info?

                         Yesterday I ran into some guys doing a mission and they told me they were below 200' and off the screen. Well I should have told them I saw them clear as day all the time. I'm starting to wonder about all this myself and beg to ask why we even have the green dots in the first place? It seems to me they take away the advantage of surprise and give nothing back in return. Activity is already registered in the comm scrolls.

                       Shouldn't we at least have the option of turning off friendly dots?

[scottydawg]

I pretty sure I don't have a clue as to what you are asking, Rich, can you please try again?

[Yknurd]

I'm only a Colonel so I can't answer your question.

Shall we wait for the General together?

[5PointOh]

Huh?

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
How far from a enemy airbase do you have to be before you cant be seen by fighters? Say Im up 15,000' to 20,000' and they are in that ME-163 and up high themselves. Or another fighter? Its starting to strike me as strange how enemy fighters show up in meaningless sections of map.

They show up because there is a nice darbar indicating your presence. With some experience it's most of the time quite easy to guess where that enemy contact is & where he is going to.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
How far from a enemy airbase do you have to be before you cant be seen by fighters? Say Im up 15,000' to 20,000' and they are in that ME-163 and up high themselves. Or another fighter? Its starting to strike me as strange how enemy fighters show up in meaningless sections of map.

                          Then there is the other possibility. That players share information on their own team in order to run up their kills. You can see you own teams little green dots anywhere on the board right? How hard would it be to mssg, phone call, or even sit side by side with a friend on the enemies team and share info?

                         Yesterday I ran into some guys doing a mission and they told me they were below 200' and off the screen. Well I should have told them I saw them clear as day all the time. I'm starting to wonder about all this myself and beg to ask why we even have the green dots in the first place? It seems to me they take away the advantage of surprise and give nothing back in return. Activity is already registered in the comm scrolls.

                       Shouldn't we at least have the option of turning off friendly dots?

You were probably visible bu dar bar.  Dar bar in a meaningless section of the map means buffs.  Easy o figure out.

What do you mean by you could see them?  Visual, green dar, red dar?

[Rich46yo]

Well at least Scotty I can understand, and whom contributed to the thread. I'll be succinct.

                       
 1,How far away can fighters see bombers?

 2, How much cheating goes on in the game and how hard would this be.


 That players share information on their own team in order to run up their kills. You can see you own teams little green dots anywhere on the board right? How hard would it be to mssg, phone call, or even sit side by side with a friend on the enemies team and share info?

 3, And really, what are the chances that an airplane that can only fly for a few minutes just happens upon you 2 sectors away from its base out in some Godforsake'in corner of the map?

     So what do the friendly green dots accomplish? And why do we have them? Its obvious there is cheating and info sharing going on. So how do they help the game? And shouldn't we have the option of turning them off? Because with them there is no hidden place you can be, or go to, and avoiding radar is really irrelevant.

                            Forget the Generals kid Ive known dyslexic privates that can understand English.

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by dedalos
You were probably visible bu dar bar.  Dar bar in a meaningless section of the map means buffs.  Easy o figure out.

What do you mean by you could see them?  Visual, green dar, red dar?

                          Thank you for responding. I'm assuming "green dar" and "red dar" means the green and red actually around your airplane right? And has nothing to do with the map and the dots? If thats the case how far away do you have to be for someone to not be able to see you? Ive been sectors away and still observed. Was it blind luck, superhuman eyes, the game, or cheating?

                         Ive seen enough references to spies and rats in the comm scrolls to accept that there are spies in the game. And with thus being so? Wouldn't it be wise to at least allow the turning off of friendly green map dots?

[scottydawg]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
Well at least Scotty I can understand, and whom contributed to the thread. I'll be succinct.

                       
 1,How far away can fighters see bombers?

 2, How much cheating goes on in the game and how hard would this be.


 That players share information on their own team in order to run up their kills. You can see you own teams little green dots anywhere on the board right? How hard would it be to mssg, phone call, or even sit side by side with a friend on the enemies team and share info?

 3, And really, what are the chances that an airplane that can only fly for a few minutes just happens upon you 2 sectors away from its base out in some Godforsake'in corner of the map?

     So what do the friendly green dots accomplish? And why do we have them? Its obvious there is cheating and info sharing going on. So how do they help the game? And shouldn't we have the option of turning them off? Because with them there is no hidden place you can be, or go to, and avoiding radar is really irrelevant.

                            Forget the Generals kid Ive known dyslexic privates that can understand English.

1.  I think dot vis is 10K but not sure.
2. No idea how much cheating goes on but it's a bit of a frowned upon topic on the BBS.  Certainly users with shade accounts could conceivably use a second computer to spy, or could team up with friends to spy.
3.  The 163 is only available at rear bases, only one or two per side I think and can climb to intercept rather quickly. That might explain what you are seeing. Also some guys like to hang about the  back bases in orbit on highly populated maps, knowing there are some others like yourself going for the long range missions.  My advice to you is to work on your gunnery so you can blow them out of the sky.

Green dots I feel are very useful, if you've ever flown in the SEA and lost the rest of your squad or whatever, you'll know what I'm talking about.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
Well at least Scotty I can understand, and whom contributed to the thread. I'll be succinct.

                       
 1,How far away can fighters see bombers?

 2, How much cheating goes on in the game and how hard would this be.


 That players share information on their own team in order to run up their kills. You can see you own teams little green dots anywhere on the board right? How hard would it be to mssg, phone call, or even sit side by side with a friend on the enemies team and share info?

 3, And really, what are the chances that an airplane that can only fly for a few minutes just happens upon you 2 sectors away from its base out in some Godforsake'in corner of the map?

     So what do the friendly green dots accomplish? And why do we have them? Its obvious there is cheating and info sharing going on. So how do they help the game? And shouldn't we have the option of turning them off? Because with them there is no hidden place you can be, or go to, and avoiding radar is really irrelevant.

                            Forget the Generals kid Ive known dyslexic privates that can understand English.

Do you understand that you are visible by darbar all the time or do you not know what we are talking about?  Yea, people may tell people where someone is heading but what makes  you think they would just target you?  You really think your buffs are that important?  Again, you are visible at all times at 20000

[scottydawg]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
Thank you for responding. I'm assuming "green dar" and "red dar" means the green and red actually around your airplane right? And has nothing to do with the map and the dots? If thats the case how far away do you have to be for someone to not be able to see you? Ive been sectors away and still observed. Was it blind luck, superhuman eyes, the game, or cheating?

                         Ive seen enough references to spies and rats in the comm scrolls to accept that there are spies in the game. And with thus being so? Wouldn't it be wise to at least allow the turning off of friendly green map dots?

The dar bar is in the upper left corner of each sector on the map and indicates the relative number of friendlies and enemies in each sector. It does not indicate position other than the population within each sector. It uses the radar and can be evaded by flying NOE, under 200 feet.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
Well at least Scotty I can understand, and whom contributed to the thread. I'll be succinct.

                       
 1,How far away can fighters see bombers?

 2, How much cheating goes on in the game and how hard would this be.


 That players share information on their own team in order to run up their kills. You can see you own teams little green dots anywhere on the board right? How hard would it be to mssg, phone call, or even sit side by side with a friend on the enemies team and share info?

 3, And really, what are the chances that an airplane that can only fly for a few minutes just happens upon you 2 sectors away from its base out in some Godforsake'in corner of the map?

     So what do the friendly green dots accomplish? And why do we have them? Its obvious there is cheating and info sharing going on. So how do they help the game? And shouldn't we have the option of turning them off? Because with them there is no hidden place you can be, or go to, and avoiding radar is really irrelevant.

                            Forget the Generals kid Ive known dyslexic privates that can understand English.

Sorry but it seems like you have been shot down a few times and now trying to blame this on "cheating".
A single players buff run is simply not important enough to be spyed upon. Like I pointed out before: With soem experience is's very easy to track enemy buffs down.

BTW, any talk about "How much cheating goes on in the game and how hard would this be." is frowned upon - read forum rules.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by scottydawg
It uses the radar and can be evaded by flying NOE, under 200 feet.

Actually, min Dar alt is 500.

[scottydawg]

Originally posted by Lusche
Actually, min Dar alt is 500.

I knew that. I was just making sure YOU knew.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by scottydawg
I knew that. I was just making sure YOU knew.