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Offline hubsonfire

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« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2007, 10:29:51 AM »
I think Filth and OM have a very good grasp of what is happening. A nice post for sure, but none of us are playing a combat simulation to learn better manners, and not all of us are solely motivated by how well we do in the DA in a controlled 1 vs 1.
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« Reply #31 on: September 07, 2007, 11:07:32 AM »
Thanks for the post Vudak.  I am a newer pilot, and have not listened to 200 for a month and a half.  It was entertaining at first, but have found that a bad apple can ruin the whole pie.  It became to much of a negative for me.  Just dropped it like a bad habit, as it seems that the majority of the communication is what I call trash talk, and just plain being rude.  As far as Vet pilots I have heard them on vox running the gamut from polite & helpful (and fun), to pompous aXX-holes.  The vets are the folks that I hit up for advice and look to for proper arena etiquette.  Yes I agree that we should just have fun and do the things that are fun, but take the crap talk elsewhere.  It's a real turn-off to any semi-mature adult.

PS-I think your conversations as described did not seem to be confrontational in anyway, rather they were postulated to get someone thinking.  Nothing wrong with that!
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« Reply #32 on: September 07, 2007, 11:16:11 AM »
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but take the crap talk elsewhere.  

 

No!:aok

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« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2007, 11:29:08 AM »
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Originally posted by Vudak
In another thread, Delirium suggested that whatever is wrong with this game is likely due to the vets’ attitude towards newer players.  I agree to some extent; and a series of sorties I had last night suggested Delirium might be onto something.

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That is one way to see things.  Here is another view.  I think we give the new guys too match credit on being new and not knowing any better.  I think that if not right away, after a couple of days they do know what is wrong and what isn't.  They know that running from a fight is stupid.  They know when they take the easy way out.  They know there is nothing you can do to them if they are rude, obnoxious, etc.  Any one that has played any game in their life knows these things.

Have you ever been around adults that play socom?  Not kids. My 34 brother in law spends his life on that thing.  It is all about being an arse to the others and how to cheat.  These people then come in here and they try to do the same.  Then, there is always the people that do it for fun.  They want to do the "wrong" thing because they can and they know it bothers you.

I've helped new guys before.  Guess what.  Once they figured out they could kind of get a kill here and there, they turned into bigger arses than the ones that cant fly.

So, I don't buy that it is the vets that are the problem.  I'm always nice the first time but I am not going to take crap from someone just because he is new.  I am not going to listen to someone on his second week cherry picking in his D9 about how I need to learn some acm.  he will hear it back.

Any of you met JhonnyRa Jr? I don't think the vets made him that way.
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« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2007, 11:45:19 AM »
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No!:aok


Allow me to clarify.  I can handle the ribbing from fellow players.   I am patient to a fault, and enjoy smack talking with the best.  My thought is there are those that cannot separate themselves from the fact that this is a game and just kick back and have fun.  Maybe if you get the feeling they are not receiving your smacktalk for the joking manner (assumed) you intend, let em be.  I am not a score watcher, name in lights syndromer, HO whiner (just don't accept them), Vulch complainer (I say if it's red it's dead), or a kill stealer (if it's on fire or falling, it's not a threat to me).  Unfortunately some are, and will always get upset now and in the future when their ACM skills come up short at the end of a set of Hispanos or .50's. See ya up there!
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« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2007, 12:04:23 PM »
truth is its never going to stop, because everyone thinks u should play their way, vudak your post even showes that u got onto this guy because he didnt fly like u thought he should, maybe he decided to stretch u out till his squaddie came back.

a 2 vs 1 is always better odds, remember we are not all out here to fight 1 vs 1, we fight as teams and therefore expect some team stratagy.

The simple fix would be to say nothing at all to him if he wants to run let him run, but be away a runner is not always running, setups are common.

But u should also look at your skill for engaging a 2 on 1 with bad odds, so what can u really say for him, he was still alive in the end, and thats what counts.

Basicly what im trying to say, is nothing is ever going to change, and complaing about it wont ever help.

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« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2007, 12:13:45 PM »
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remember we are not all out here to fight 1 vs 1, we fight as teams and therefore expect some team stratagy.


And that is the question.  Why? Why not try it when the opportunity arises? I understand you may want to play as a team but why run from a 1 vs 1 when it comes along?  Aren't people even curious to see how you would do?  You have no clue how good the other guy is.

I am going to start playing basketball 3 vs 1 and call it strategy and fun.  That is all V asked.  Why?  Can someone please answer that question honestly?
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« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2007, 12:39:32 PM »
Truth be told, there is no reason to run unless you are damaged, outta bullets or gas, or it's time to put the baby to bed(lol-for the other flying fathers out there).  I for one will go for it, it is a learning situation win or lose.
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« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2007, 12:40:52 PM »
I guess im a vet...ive played since 1996'ish and continue to play...

The bottom line is this...people do what is fun...end of story...if it ceases to be fun then they stop it and do something else...

This is a computer game...no matter how good you think you are you are still only as good as you have gamed the game...(i.e. good fiter aces NEVER flew low and slow wwith flaps deployed hoping someone would bounce themwith too much e) yes i understand people delude themselves into believing they are skilled ww2 pilots but your not...please read a few good ww2 fiter pilot biographies and understand how true sorties ran and how most kills were generated...understand turnfiting was not the usual outcome of a sortie and furballs were not what we call furballs in here...

And when you think you are really great then realize that certain things such as video card/processor speed/joystick/rudder pedals/frame rate is often more important in a 1v1 then who drops their flaps first or cuts their throttle and that most casual players have not invested the resources you or i have into the game...

I went thru the "i gotta be an awesome 1v1 furballer" thing in the late 90's and got very good...won tournaments...went to conventions...etc.

Crazy thing is there was always someone better, someone who could invest much more time then me, someone who had a better setup etc.  so i began to get into the "rest of the game".  You know..the other 98% of aces high...gv's, buffs, boats, start and ord, resupply.....

crazy thing is i still have fun and i dont need to suggest to others how to play to increase my own enjoyment...i dont need to ch 200 folks when i die...no matter how sweet i am about it...yet i still dont log off every night with burning questions in my mind about other folks motives....i guess with 600+ guys/gals on a night there are always enough around to have fun with...
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« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2007, 01:04:51 PM »
i just posted on my LA post about this so im gonna post here as well,

  there are to many players who care what the other guy is flying or how he is flying,
200 when i first came to Aces High was about the nme and saying good fight, and such like that, now its insult after insult,  
     
   so i am de tuning 200 if any of you wanna yell at me for something stupid,  or me for staying alive as long as i did against the odds, PM is the way.

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« Reply #40 on: September 07, 2007, 01:13:36 PM »
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Originally posted by FALCONWING


This is a computer game...no matter how good you think you are you are still only as good as you have gamed the game...(i.e. good fiter aces NEVER flew low and slow wwith flaps deployed hoping someone would bounce themwith too much e) yes i understand people delude themselves into believing they are skilled ww2 pilots but your not...please read a few good ww2 fiter pilot biographies and understand how true sorties ran and how most kills were generated...understand turnfiting was not the usual outcome of a sortie and furballs were not what we call furballs in here...


So, I am confused.  Is this a game or is it WWII? :huh
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« Reply #41 on: September 07, 2007, 01:25:56 PM »
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So, I am confused.  Is this a game or is it WWII? :huh



Game....last i checked ww2 had ended a while ago...

That being said it is modeled around ww2 aerial combat so i referenced ww2 biographies....

But it is still a video game with all the limitations of one...for example some of the moves used by the low/slow/flap guys only work because it is hard to "see" around the plane without an uber joystick or nifty arrow key work...so it is a gamey move which you wont find in Shaw's etc...

Not trying to insult anyone...but when someone suggests people dont want to get "better", i just want to comment that they are truly saying "better at this game's environment" and not true air-to-air combat skills (whidh DEFINITELY included Ho's and running to superior numbers and "picking")  All of which are frowned upon by those who want poeple to get better....

SEE  ww2 pilots had this funny limitation called dying...and Im just guessing that what attracted folks to this game was a love affair with ww2 and i guess it doesnt upset me too much if some want to fly planes the way they were flown back then....
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« Reply #42 on: September 07, 2007, 01:26:33 PM »
There are a few things I would urge newer players to do or not to do.

1) Don't tune to channel 200. I rarely tune 200 as I don't care one whit about what anyone has to say beyond a salute. If it's something worthwhile, they can PM me. If they PM me with a whine or otherwise impolite nonsense, I just squelch them. A buddy recently told me that some jerk was badmouthing me on 200. Must have been someone I had just dispatched... Who cares? He's dead and his ego won't let him rest in peace.  I won't waste 2 seconds of my life discussing issues with these folks. Don't waste your time either.

2) If you have ammo and your plane is flyable, don't run away from a lone enemy. You will never learn if you don't accept even-up fights. Practice in the TA and DA. Build some skills and self-confidence. If I see a lone enemy, I grin from ear to ear. It's an opportunity to have some fun. You may win, you may lose. However, you'll never know until you actually engage. Besides, your self-image should not hinge on the outcome of a game. Relax, have fun. If you are living in terror of being shot down, you can't be having much fun.

3) If you're new to the game, avoid flying the so-called "easy mode" fighters. Sure, you'll have better stats, but your abilities are not challenged very much. Take a Spit IX instead of the Spit XVI. Fly the La-5 instead of the La-7. Give the P-51B a try and leave the D model in the hanger. Try the 190A-5 rather than the Dora. Fly a P-47 some. Learn the aircraft, discover your skill level and then go find those folks who will help you raise that level.

4) Set realistic goals. No one ever became a top stick overnight. If you set your goals too high, you'll start getting timid or simply find yourself not having fun. Guys who aren't having fun are easy to find. They're the ones bellyaching the most on 200.

5) Many whine about HOs... If your dogfighting ability is limited to flying straight at the enemy with guns blazing, then it's time to get some help with both BFM and ACM. On the other hand, a true HO means that both pilots brought guns to bear.. If only one does, than it's a different story. 90% of the whines associated with HOs are due to the fact that the whiner lost. You don't hear the winner whining about the HO, do you?

Folks, Aces High has steep learning curve. If you want to build good flying skills, you must commit the time to it. It also requires a major change in the way many think. When you see an enemy, do you worry about what they may do to you? Do you think, "how do I avoid getting killed by that guy?" Don't think that way. Think, "what must I do to kill that guy?" Think attack, attack, always attack. Do that and you'll stop being a target and start becoming a dangerous adversary.

My regards,

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« Reply #43 on: September 07, 2007, 01:26:46 PM »
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...and I’m realistic enough to know it won’t change a single thing :D

A simple sticky might fix that issue. Anyone coming here would be able to read over this wonderful message.

, very good message.
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« Reply #44 on: September 07, 2007, 02:02:28 PM »
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
,maybe he decided to stretch u out till his squaddie came back.

or maybe he was playing the game like a coward!




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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL

 he was still alive in the end, and thats what counts.

 

nobody dies in here dill boy, Vudak attacked them to get them to fight.......which is what this game is all about.  This player proved that he only wants a fight where he has a two on one advantage or where he can cherry pick, now what if everyplayer that logged on only took those kinds of chances?  You'd have an arena full of sehob's flying around!

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