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Offline Vudak

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« Reply #105 on: September 10, 2007, 01:57:45 AM »
Oh my :D

I'm gonna have a long day reading through this all tomorrow...

Look, guys, I haven't read all the replies yet (haven't read any of them since I last posted), but I have a feeling I know where this has gone if the thread is still running strong.

So now, before I'm all ticked off too, let me just say, to everyone, think about the last few paragraphs of the post, ok?  Leave everything else out of it for a second and tell me if we didn't all try those things that this wouldn't be a happier world :D

Where's the PLUR, maaaan? :lol
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« Reply #106 on: September 10, 2007, 01:58:12 AM »
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The easiest fix is to keep whines from guys like BatfinkV from expressing his annoyance with his girl friends (do you realy have one? :) annoynace of him playing a game is to have a permanent Personal Mute list that stays muted until you change your mind not for just that session.

 


this was my prompt, explain what you mean if this is not intended as a personal attack.

as usual i have no real clue what you are trying to state, what i do see is an unprovoked insult or two aimed at me.

as for the rest of that which you have written.....it only goes to enforce the fact that you, ren, have absolutely zero comprehension of other people. many a time i have read a thread that you have come into and gone off on a seriously random tangent that has absolutely nothing to do with anything anyone is talking about.
example proven here in your above reply. what  does any of what you said have to do with anything at all? seriously random.  

i do not care to defend myself against such amusing claims as you have stated above. I am in the TA more often you you are, that is a fact. If you truly believe what you have said about me and my game mentality then you are truly deluded.

you get anyone here who knows me to read your accusations about why i have posted a film, or why i spend time in TA, or why i am part of a group that offers target practice to anyone in the TA....etc....etc... they will laugh at you. (oh and if it makes you feel better, i was once asked if i would consider joining the Training corps, a very long time ago.)


you just simply have absolutely no clue as to what you are talking about, ever. period. end of it.
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« Reply #107 on: September 10, 2007, 02:09:52 AM »
thanks for the essays guys:aok

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« Reply #108 on: September 10, 2007, 02:24:59 AM »
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Oh my :D

I'm gonna have a long day reading through this all tomorrow...

Look, guys, I haven't read all the replies yet (haven't read any of them since I last posted), but I have a feeling I know where this has gone if the thread is still running strong.

So now, before I'm all ticked off too, let me just say, to everyone, think about the last few paragraphs of the post, ok?  Leave everything else out of it for a second and tell me if we didn't all try those things that this wouldn't be a happier world :D

Where's the PLUR, maaaan? :lol


Sorry Vudak, when I'm at work on a Sunday night all the planes have landed and there is nothing to do. The thought is as long as you posted your essay I'd had the time to continue it.



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« Reply #109 on: September 10, 2007, 02:41:46 AM »
Alright, I've "perused" the thread...  I am not, not, not, not, NOT going to read every post (I've seen these ones before and ya'll know what I'm talking about).

Few things:

Ren - I don't take anything you've said as a personal attack to me.  You call it as you see it and drop it after that.  There's no worries here.  I still, however, disagree with your assesment of my philosophy and think you're over simplifying it, and quite frankly, giving me a low ball estimate of my intent.

I don't know.  The first guy I ever really trained with was Nomak.  We were dueling, I caught on fire, I kept trying, he said something along the lines of, "I'm glad you did that, just the other day I was dueling someone else, the same thing happened, I eased off, and he shot me down."

He had a point there.  It's the old tee-shirt with the frog being swallowed by the pelican, but the frog's still got his hands around the pelican's neck.

I'm just saying, you and Nomak are both trainers (or were, I'm not sure what he's doing now).  You and Nomak are both excellent players.  Any guy who trains with either you or Nomak has a good chance of becoming a good player too, but  they're *probably* going to be very different types of players too, you know?

It's certainly not a question of, "Please give me an easy kill."  

Tango - I see what you're saying about "loaded questions," and you gave me good advice, but if you think this thread's a whine about me getting shot down, you're mistaken.

In retrospect, it was probably a horrible idea to even include those two examples.  Though I was trying to illustrate the difference in mentality between the two individuals, it seems all I've done is doomed this thread.

Ah well, just another day on this bulletin boards, eh? :cool:

Oh, and TC...  Trust me on this one...  "I KNOW ;)" (I'll tell ya a funny story sometime).
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« Reply #110 on: September 10, 2007, 02:51:06 AM »
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this was my prompt, explain what you mean if this is not intended as a personal attack.
as usual i have no real clue what you are trying to state, what i do see is an unprovoked insult or two aimed at me.
as for the rest of that which you have written.....it only goes to enforce the fact that you, ren, have absolutely zero comprehension of other people. many a time i have read a thread that you have come into and gone off on a seriously random tangent that has absolutely nothing to do with anything anyone is talking about.
example proven here in your above reply. what  does any of what you said have to do with anything at all? seriously random.  
i do not care to defend myself against such amusing claims as you have stated above. I am in the TA more often you you are, that is a fact. If you truly believe what you have said about me and my game mentality then you are truly deluded.
you get anyone here who knows me to read your accusations about why i have posted a film, or why i spend time in TA, or why i am part of a group that offers target practice to anyone in the TA....etc....etc... they will laugh at you. (oh and if it makes you feel better, i was once asked if i would consider joining the Training corps, a very long time ago.)
you just simply have absolutely no clue as to what you are talking about, ever. period. end of it.


"i think you will notice TC, it is Ren who made personal attacks about my character, my life and my loving partner. i was joking about grammar. Ren knows nothing and regularly shows everyone how dim he is."

LOL so you are the only one that can make a joke? You catch a lil coming back and all of a sudden it's not a joke. Grow up....

Ref my dribble....it has as much worth as a lot of other mindless dribble that's been rehashed over and over, ad nasuem. Are you beginning to understand yet? And you say I'm dim?

Ahem, yer saying yer in the TA more than I am is defending yerself but that's ok :)

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That's nice.
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« Reply #111 on: September 10, 2007, 03:03:39 AM »
er....yeah. infact it was you who insulted me first without provocation, and then I who was 'throwing it back' at you. we are both adults we can both take a bit of verbal with no ill effects.

as of this sentance i am done with this conversation, i have said all i need to say and i will not reply to you anymore.
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« Reply #112 on: September 10, 2007, 03:06:03 AM »
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Originally posted by Vudak
Ren - I don't take anything you've said as a personal attack to me.  You call it as you see it and drop it after that.  There's no worries here.  I still, however, disagree with your assesment of my philosophy and think you're over simplifying it, and quite frankly, giving me a low ball estimate of my intent.


I dunno. The old saying the "squeeky wheel gets the oil" comes to mind here. Many people want to hear themselves be heard on 200 and they have a tendency to talk smack as they've heard by a select few. Be they new guys, those with a few years or old vets. Perhaps an over simplified answer is in order?

Discussion has always been a Management type answer to a problem. Let's cut back on retirement and let them discuss it endlessly. Will you get it back? Nope but you have the comfort of knowing you are able to voice your opinion even if noone is listening or cares, expect for all the rest of the poor souls that are gonna lose out, too.  Politicians use it regularly. Keep em talking and we can do what we want anyway.
You see? That is not a fix.

IF and there is a big IF you feel there is a problem perhaps a statement of the problem and perhaps state a plausible solution is in order. If the solution is for anyone who wants to, squelch 200 and mouths for 1 month and see what happens then go for it.

Back in the old days it was a common tactic to get a new guy to type responses to you on the text buffer while you snuck up his 6 and dusted him. Very funny, silly but they learned from it. :) Kinda like alt-f4 :)
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The only reason I mentioned IF is because I merely squelch the mouths and de-toon 200 when it gets to be a bit much. It only takes a second and I'm still having a good time.
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« Reply #113 on: September 10, 2007, 04:25:57 AM »
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IF and there is a big IF you feel there is a problem perhaps a statement of the problem and perhaps state a plausible solution is in order. If the solution is for anyone who wants to, squelch 200 and mouths for 1 month and see what happens then go for it.



Well, I mean, Ren...  That's kind of what I did.  I stated what I perceived as a problem in the post (basically, people jumping the gun and thinking the worst of any comment), and suggested a solution (basically, three types of players still playing how they want, but with all three compromising in how they act/react to one another a bit).

Now, whether or not I'm correct in assessing the current situation as a problem, and whether or not my suggested "solutions" (perhaps...  "steps forward" suits it better?) are really workable is up for debate.  I do have to say though, in my eyes, your reaction to my first post was a good example of what I see as part of the "problem."

As I see it, you read my post, and immediately thought something along the lines of (very oversimplified) "Vudak's whining."  Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, maybe it's a bit in the middle.  The point is, you're doing exactly what I described in the first post as the "It's my $15 type's" contribution to "the problem."  Basically, take everything I say, and reduce it to, "He's whining, don't pay attention to him."  At least that's how it came off to me (but as we've all seen, text does have serious limitations).

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and whether or not you've got it right doesn't really matter much in this life, just like my opinions don't mean much either.  But the point is, what you've just done, in my eyes, is taken the situation a step back, or at least kept it put.

What I'd suggest - and you don't have to take it, if you don't want to - is to say something along the lines of: "Vudak, you probably meant well, but it came off as whining.  Try a different approach instead."  That right there, is a step forward.

Basically, in my eyes, we as a community should stop jumping right to conclusions and start trying to give each other the benefit of the doubt.  We can and should still express our opinions, be it that "Vudak's whining," or anything else, but we should give each other the benefit of the doubt in the same breath.

I realize that works both ways, and I realize that in the particular situation I highlighted, I didn't do a very good job of it myself.  You're quite right - he could have just been extending.  For all I know, he might have been waiting to get a few hundred yards further before reversing.  I didn't give him that benefit of the doubt, and figured he'd just keep on running.  Perhaps a better question for me to have asked him would have been, "Were you looking to get some more seperation before reversing?"  If he answered, "Yeah, I wanted a little more space," I could have said something like, "Well, you probably could get away with it reversing a little closer.  Would you like me to help you see how?"  Maybe that would have worked better.  Then again, hindsight is 20/20.

The bottom line is, none of us are saints here.  We could all work on being a little friendlier and less defensive and offensive towards one another.  It can't possibly hurt the game.

I'm going to make an effort to try it, and I hope some of you from all walks of this game will too.

« Last Edit: September 10, 2007, 04:28:34 AM by Vudak »
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« Reply #114 on: September 10, 2007, 07:58:35 AM »
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Tango - I see what you're saying about "loaded questions," and you gave me good advice, but if you think this thread's a whine about me getting shot down, you're mistaken.


No, I didn't presume you were whining at all  :).  To insinuate that you were demonstrates a "false or questionable presumption" on my part.  That was the intent of my fake (fallacious) questions, to demonstrate how people load questions and don't even realize it.  My apologies if that wasn't clear :).

An easy way to get someone else riled up is for me to ask a loaded question, so I shouldn't be surprised at their response if I do so.  The bigger issue is if I even know I loaded the question.

I'm all for civility.  We all have a responsibility to do our part to make the community a healthy one and not turn it into a sewer.

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« Reply #115 on: September 10, 2007, 11:12:15 AM »
I wonder how many people have been taken to Emergency with bruised sternums since this thread was started?

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