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« Reply #60 on: September 17, 2007, 12:45:37 PM »
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i was going off the location that you gave. Where the sun dont shine. that would be alaska


I see...

I spent a few days in St. Petersburg some years back. It was summer when I was there, so it was the land where the sun never stopped shining.

Maybe one day I'll see it in the winter.

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« Reply #61 on: September 17, 2007, 02:45:20 PM »
kilz...  I guess you got me... my best friend is not a negro but I do have a recent picture of me and some negros at an eatery... does that mean I am ok now?

I live in the bay area of kalifornia... it is likely that I have seen more negros than someone from alaska.  They may be a more diverse grouping of the race too.

moot... why do I say it?   why not?   It is hard enough to keep up with all the names that they like or don't like... I thought a very funny bit in the movie "clerks" was the whole porch monkey thing they did.

Why did I do it?  why do you pick on the brother in the family who is overly sensitive?    just to hear em scream I guess... and.. to make a point too.. to toughen people to reality and to make us more equal...not less... How equal is it to say that some people can't be spoken to?   That some people need extra rights?   Hate crimes?   how equal are those things?

It really is funny... until we can make fun of everyone equally there will be no equality..

And there in lies the reason to not vote for a negro....It would be a rare one that didn't have all that baggage... A rare one who wasn't a socialist because they felt owed.

I am sure that there are many exceptions to the rules but it doesn't hurt to play the odds.

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« Reply #62 on: September 17, 2007, 02:52:54 PM »
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Basically it was the acceptable term for blacks back in the good old days...err....before the 1960s.  

Nothing "wrong" with it per se....but if you want to get the real "low down" call the next large black man you see a negro and let us all know the reaction you get...mmmmkay?


Thats cause there arent alot of black men who speak Spanish


Hmmm I wonder what would happen if you found a large white man and callen him a "blanca" :rofl
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« Reply #63 on: September 17, 2007, 02:56:45 PM »
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An NFL couch?

You asked "how about if I call HIM boy"...stop trying to be smart and looking stupid.


If you ever see an NFL "couch" say anything.
Its time to stop drinking LOL

I think you both mean "COACH"


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« Reply #64 on: September 17, 2007, 02:59:35 PM »
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kilz...  I guess you got me... my best friend is not a negro but I do have a recent picture of me and some negros at an eatery... does that mean I am ok now?

I live in the bay area of kalifornia... it is likely that I have seen more negros than someone from alaska.  They may be a more diverse grouping of the race too.

moot... why do I say it?   why not?   It is hard enough to keep up with all the names that they like or don't like... I thought a very funny bit in the movie "clerks" was the whole porch monkey thing they did.

Why did I do it?  why do you pick on the brother in the family who is overly sensitive?    just to hear em scream I guess... and.. to make a point too.. to toughen people to reality and to make us more equal...not less... How equal is it to say that some people can't be spoken to?   That some people need extra rights?   Hate crimes?   how equal are those things?

It really is funny... until we can make fun of everyone equally there will be no equality..

And there in lies the reason to not vote for a negro....It would be a rare one that didn't have all that baggage... A rare one who wasn't a socialist because they felt owed.

I am sure that there are many exceptions to the rules but it doesn't hurt to play the odds.

lazs



my post was not directed toward you laz:)

i may live in Alaska but i did not grow up here. i grew up in texas. lived in the queen city. i have lived in alot of diffrent citys.
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« Reply #65 on: September 17, 2007, 11:33:06 PM »
....Whoo after i picked myself up off the floor from laughing, let me let you know. I don't see anything wrong with the word negro. It's the official word for black person. Just like caucasian is for white. It is somewhat antiquated a word but i'd understand it. There's a fellow who is a family friend, a white gentleman about 72, who uses the word "colored" still because he came from that era. We don't care because he's the nicest guy goin. It's like if you grew up in Britain and said Bloody or chap all the time. However if you did say negro to a lot of black people it would be somewhat funny and might ellicit this conversation as you leave.

" Hey bro, you hear that, what was that about? (insert puzzled laughter from said parties). I ain't heard that word in a while. (more laughter). He must be one of those southern conservative folks.

If you meant no harm from it, you wouldn't have no problem. If you did, then you'd probably have a problem. Depending on how you handled said situation.

I think Lasz was just trieing to be PC, because it can be hard to understand. Such as " Hey what do you Negro's call yourself's nowadays." A good question indeed.

After such a huge social cataclism as slavery, and all that came after it, your going to have to admit such topics are going to be sensitive for awhile. Try a hundred years for every hundred years slavery was in activity. Multiply that by number of lynchings and pain caused. You come up with around 600 years before America lives that huge blot on it's personality down.

Given that i'm half white, half black, (great grandfather was a white guy from france) take that into account.

Funny story as i leave... My grandfather looked so much like a white man that he used to ride the buses and come and go as he pleased fooling everybody but the ones that noticed....hilarious..go grandpa. lol

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« Reply #66 on: September 17, 2007, 11:47:50 PM »
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kilz...  I guess you got me... my best friend is not a negro but I do have a recent picture of me and some negros at an eatery... does that mean I am ok now?

I live in the bay area of kalifornia... it is likely that I have seen more negros than someone from alaska.  They may be a more diverse grouping of the race too.

moot... why do I say it?   why not?   It is hard enough to keep up with all the names that they like or don't like... I thought a very funny bit in the movie "clerks" was the whole porch monkey thing they did.

Why did I do it?  why do you pick on the brother in the family who is overly sensitive?    just to hear em scream I guess... and.. to make a point too.. to toughen people to reality and to make us more equal...not less... How equal is it to say that some people can't be spoken to?   That some people need extra rights?   Hate crimes?   how equal are those things?

It really is funny... until we can make fun of everyone equally there will be no equality..

And there in lies the reason to not vote for a negro....It would be a rare one that didn't have all that baggage... A rare one who wasn't a socialist because they felt owed.

I am sure that there are many exceptions to the rules but it doesn't hurt to play the odds.

lazs



Uh Lasz don't quite agree with all of that, i don't really pick on anyone cause i'm not really like that, and hate crimes, don't look at those people being the representatives for a race, they're stupid. The porch monkey part was so funny i nearly blew out a tear duct laughing, excellent social commentary there.

The part about president, ugh not quite Lasz, most black folks, especially ones intelligent enough to run for president, realize alot of this stuff black folks cling to is stupid.  So they'd most likely know better, (omit Al Sharpton here.)  

Believing that is a bit genaralizing of people and a bit broad stroking. Perhaps a bit pre-judging=(prejudiced) if you think about it. Apply only your beliefs to the man himself not the group said man belongs to, because truth being, no man belongs to a group. Other than that, i think i may see what your saying, correct me if i'm wrong. Lasz

P.S.  And your right it is hard to tell what were calling ourselves these days, i don't even know sometimes. Somebody let me know.

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« Reply #67 on: September 18, 2007, 08:14:10 AM »
I was just curious Lazs, Neubob.
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« Reply #68 on: September 18, 2007, 08:37:43 AM »
leadpig... I am glad you feel the way you do.  I find that I get along fine with older negros but that young ones...not so much... and ones who buy into the whole "black culture" thing... not at all.  nada.. none..  even the older ones... if you scratch the surface you will get to the hate and socialism.

I feel for you and your pain at being a slave so recently... with brothers and sisters just released...  My grandfather came from scotland and they would send the scotts down in the mine before the mules cause the mules were expensive.

ask around in any mining town about the history of the mines... the cotton field looks pretty good compared to our brand of slavery...

get over it.   even you... seem unable to let it go...you brought it up fer christsakes!   You proved my point...  negros can't let it go and become part of America..  why should I bother with em if they keep dragging themselves down into the whole mess?

As for your contention that they are not all socialists.... maybe.. but I am for sure more accurate than you are... look at the voting records of negros...The colored vote is a given.   it is a giveaway by people with a chip on their shoulder that drags them down.

Look as osamabama.... are you going to tell me that his voting record is not right out of some socialist pity pot agenda?

There are coloreds I would vote for.   Shelby steele for instanace... a few other conservatives but... oddly enough... they are hated and vilified by their own race.  And simply because they espouse having negros join America

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« Reply #69 on: September 18, 2007, 08:50:09 AM »
I've been in this french colony for 3 years, and there's almost the same sort of dynamic between the french and the locals descendent from slaves.
It gets old fast, although in my experience, it's worse in the US.
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« Reply #70 on: September 18, 2007, 08:58:43 AM »
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If there's a black guy out there who's worth my vote, fine. If not, fine. Gotta earn that vote.. and it ain't earned by being born with one skin color or another.

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« Reply #71 on: September 18, 2007, 09:05:26 AM »
moot... what would you suggest?   I agree that it gets old real fast... you only have to listen to our media and entertainment to see it from the white perspective.

I am about sick of being blamed for everything that is wrong with an entire race... I have found that with people so far gone in hate and selfpity and selfloathing that it is simply best to avoid them.

Even the best of them (the aformentioned negro photo op at eatery) you have to walk on eggs and listen to how tough it is to be them because of people like me.

they simply can't get over it.  As such.. they get more and more dragged down..

Now... with a new race to feel guilty about.. a whole new people to feel bad about.... illegals...  the negro will lose even the status of picked on... they can "black culture" all they want but the illegal will take everything that the negro should have been working for all this time....

There is only so much white guilt to go around.. the illegal will be taking a bigger and bigger share of it.

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« Reply #72 on: September 18, 2007, 09:41:31 AM »
on the subject


http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/05/reality.html

VICTIMHOOD: RHETORIC OR REALITY

As my colleague Tom Sowell pointed out in a recent column, "Liberals, Race and History," if the Democratic party's share of the black vote ever fell to even 70 percent, it's not likely that the Democrats would ever win the White House or Congress again. The strategy liberal Democrats have chosen, to prevent loss of the black vote, is to keep blacks paranoid and in a constant state of fear. But is it fear of racists, or being driven back to the plantation, that should be a top priority for blacks? Let's look at it.

What about the decline of the black family? In 1960, only 28 percent of black females between the ages of 15 and 44 were never married. Today, it's 56 percent. In 1940, the illegitimacy rate among blacks was 19 percent, in 1960, 22 percent, and today, it's 70 percent. Some argue that the state of the black family is the result of the legacy of slavery, discrimination and poverty. That has to be nonsense.

A study of 1880 family structure in Philadelphia shows that three-quarters of black families were nuclear families, comprised of two parents and children. In New York City in 1925, 85 percent of kin-related black households had two parents.

In fact, according to Herbert Gutman in "The Black Family in Slavery and Freedom: 1750-1925," "Five in six children under the age of 6 lived with both parents." Therefore, if one argues that what we see today is a result of a legacy of slavery, discrimination and poverty, what's the explanation for stronger black families at a time much closer to slavery -- a time of much greater discrimination and of much greater poverty? I think that a good part of the answer is there were no welfare and Great Society programs.


Only 30 to 40 percent of black males graduate from high school.

Across the U.S., black males represent up to 70 percent of prison populations.Department of Justice statistics for 2001 show that in nearly 80 percent of violent crimes against blacks, both the victim and the perpetrator were the same race.




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« Reply #73 on: September 18, 2007, 09:45:06 AM »
If you want a black conservative economist point of view, you need to read.
Walter E Williams and
Thomas Sowell

Two leading Economist in the country.



http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell1.asp

or

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/archive.shtml

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams1.asp

or

http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles.html
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« Reply #74 on: September 18, 2007, 10:43:20 AM »
I'm not sure what I'd suggest.. I'm not in your shoes, but in my experience the best rule of thumb is to just ignore the self-pity and listen only for the pertinent parts of the conversation.  If the conversation is too full of the woe-is-me BS for you not to get aggravated by, or even nothing but that BS, just take a raincheck.
When it's worth taking the time to filter through what they're saying, keep at it, and if they ever choose to make their paranoid BS explicitly your fault, then show in a very down to earth or transparent common sense way (the same way you'd quote someone's posts on this forum when they won't admit they did in fact say something) it's them who's insisting on involving that BS into the otherwise normal conversation.
At that point they either (in my experience) go off the deep end, or recognize it.  If the former, the useful part of the conversation's usualy over right away, the latter you can just accomodate them in whatever brief way will get them over the embarassement and get back to the important part of the conversation.

I'm completely sick of that BS.  I've lived in France, and when I was small, I was a foreigner.  I moved to Canada, and there I was a frenchie.  Back to France and I'm a Canuck, or Arab :lol  Moved to the US, and I'm a Frenchie again, or freakin latino.  Now I'm on this island, and the locals here stubbornly categorize anyone who's not from the local's descendence and customs as "foreigner", even me who looks like them if you don't take your time to recognize all the other ancestry I have. And from there it's hands down, carte blanche BS blaming and whining and any self-pity, endless rationalizing of the same sort of crap you get from "those" blacks in the US.
It's a bit like the impatience of us that have gotten past and know better than that BS for those whiners, and in a way you could argue that it's fair game.  I mean, they had/have their little island, it's homely to them, and like a lot of people justifiably defensive of their culture and sovereignty, they ought to strive for its continuation just like you ought to strive for your own survival.  The problem though, is when they take it too far and trespass onto your own concerns.  It's fine that they are different and want to keep it that way, but it isn't defensible to use it as an excuse to blame you for anything when you aren't even trying to interfere with their livelihood, when you are just trying to get things done without yourself trespassing on their concerns; i.e. what FX1 was doing recently for his real estate work.

It has nothing to do with ethnicity ("black" culture and memetics aside) and everything to do with individual psychology.  It's just a ****in crutch and the wild card racism blame nearly always saves their ass.  Anyone can play it anytime.  A good analog is women or gays and sexual harassment.  It's a path of least resistance abuse that's gotten a free ride all this time thanks to history (slavery etc).  
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edit- Did you mean what word I'd suggest? Sorry for rambling then :p
I'd suggest black because it is the plainest, but that's less PC than african american, which itself is too PC.  Negro is ok in spanish (commonly used IIRC, not sure about in the US though), and in French too.  It's gotten a good dose of connotation in English though.  I asked because it seemed like the sort of word that someone like you would have a hard time defending against the black-stigma.
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