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« Reply #105 on: September 19, 2007, 08:41:02 AM »
A trend based on race? Sorry, but that is just silly.

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« Reply #106 on: September 19, 2007, 08:52:28 AM »
No it isn't.  Japanese culture until recently was unique to their island, whose population was nearly perfectly japanese in ethnicity.  All the people conformed to the average of that population's characteristics, characteristics which couldn't be found anywhere else.  You could in fact say that that population followed trends exclusive to it.  
Like you said, "desperate and undereducated and hungry" can be applied to some of the NO population.  If a sufficiently large portion of a population conforms to a certain profile such as the above, then you can in fact say so.  It isn't exclusive to black, but it is prevalent and it is a trend.  
It's not a trend brought on by their race, but (and this is the important part I think) by their own will.  But that's another story.  In both the japanese and the black examples, you could argue that the race caused the trend or vice versa, but either way the trend exists.
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« Reply #107 on: September 19, 2007, 08:54:17 AM »
no mt.. what I see is people of a color going feral in every case... over and over and then I see people like you making excuses for em and saying that such behavior is uncommon and that they had no choice and that it was not their fault.

I see people of other races living in the same areas under the same conditions not going feral.    I don't claim to know the reason and I most certainly do not claim that every single negro is exactly the same.    I do claim that the truth is that.... for whatever reason.... the negro is more prone to going feral... more prone to being a criminal... more prone to attack other races.

I also note that the more excuses and welfare and "help" the worse it is for a large segment of the population... those who do well and use the help exist for sure but... there is a very large segment who get worse not better.

I also think that it is you who is painting me with a broad brush... you say that I see all negros as the same.    

I think it is you who is painting with a broad brush.. you see victims everywhere where victims do not exist.   I was not a "victim" when I was a criminal and a biker.  These are not victims the ones who stay in a riot zone and loot.  Be it over a hurricane or a beating or a trial verdict or a basketball game.... the rioters are simply feral people needing an excuse to do what they want to do anyway... you are helping them stay just the way they are too...  You tell them.."it's ok... it's not your fault."

It sure as hell is their fault...from beggining to end.  

To answer ledpigs question about what would happen if whites and negros switched positions... in a few years.... everything would go back to the way it is now.. with badly run colored areas and cities full of criminals and whites hustling money and sending kids to school...  my grandfather never went past the third grade fer chrisakes... he coulda just wallowed in it I guess.... you would say he was a "victim" I suppose.

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« Reply #108 on: September 19, 2007, 09:04:45 AM »
Just as kids can be brought up to hate jews and to believe that martyring themselves is what they are meant to do, given their genetic heritage, you can be brought up to think you are meant to burden yourself with the (incidentaly self-prophecized) stigma of other people similar enough to you (that you don't think to question whether it's a valid reason), that lived today or decades ago.
"Don't make a ***** act like a *****", or something like that.  Tailor made memes that some people never manage to recognize as erroneous, because they never think of themselves individualy enough.  You aren't your race, but some people will work really hard to renounce that truth.
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« Reply #109 on: September 19, 2007, 09:10:35 AM »
moot.. I agree but I don't see it happening...  I think it has to do with socialism.. the lack of individual identity.   quit identifying yourself with a race and others will too....

Don't defend the actions of people of your race that are indefensable and you will be taken seriously.    When you defend based on victimhood and excuse based on race... you make everyone a racist.

I think that I am probly the least racist person I know... but I am a realist.

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« Reply #110 on: September 19, 2007, 10:31:56 AM »
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No it isn't.  Japanese culture until recently was unique to their island, whose population was nearly perfectly japanese in ethnicity.  All the people conformed to the average of that population's characteristics, characteristics which couldn't be found anywhere else.  You could in fact say that that population followed trends exclusive to it.  
Like you said, "desperate and undereducated and hungry" can be applied to some of the NO population.  If a sufficiently large portion of a population conforms to a certain profile such as the above, then you can in fact say so.  It isn't exclusive to black, but it is prevalent and it is a trend.  
It's not a trend brought on by their race, but (and this is the important part I think) by their own will.  But that's another story.  In both the japanese and the black examples, you could argue that the race caused the trend or vice versa, but either way the trend exists.


If you took two groups of people and threw them each on a deserted island for 10 years and came back later. I'd imagine the people would have developed a unique and very individual culture and way of life on each island. Sure there would be similiarities because they are human, but there would be differences caused by their isolation. Countries, governments, laws, religions, culture, speach, art, and the differences in them have alot to do with this. However color or any other such superficial characteristics wouldn't figure much into it, except how close or far away said islands happened to be to the equator.

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« Reply #111 on: September 19, 2007, 10:35:43 AM »
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If there's a black guy out there who's worth my vote, fine. If not, fine. Gotta earn that vote.. and it ain't earned by being born with one skin color or another.

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« Reply #112 on: September 19, 2007, 10:41:46 AM »
Saying that you saw stuff on TV news as being absolute evidence of something...particularly when you then ascribe that evidence to an entire race of people is really really funny lazs.

Are you THAT much of a media stooge?

I bet you didn't flinch when you saw CNN describe the white couple who "found" food supplies and the shot of the black kid "looting" food supplies.
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« Reply #113 on: September 19, 2007, 10:43:03 AM »
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moot.. I agree but I don't see it happening...  I think it has to do with socialism.. the lack of individual identity.   quit identifying yourself with a race and others will too....

Don't defend the actions of people of your race that are indefensable and you will be taken seriously.    When you defend based on victimhood and excuse based on race... you make everyone a racist.

I think that I am probly the least racist person I know... but I am a realist.

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Looking for the answers behind situations is never a bad thing. Finding answers and blaming your behaviour on them can be. We as humans have that very important thing called free will.

For instance if i knew someone and i did something disrespecting to them and that person got angry at me about it. I would simply just not off the bat blame that person and say they were wrong. I would most likely listen to what they had to say and their reasons and analyze my own actions to get a better understanding. It is possible i could have been rude or disrespecting without even knowing it. Such analysis and reasoning is not wrong and dosen't consist of me blaming a situation. It consists of me wanting to get down to the bottom and understand the heart of a matter.

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« Reply #114 on: September 19, 2007, 10:46:44 AM »
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Saying that you saw stuff on TV news as being absolute evidence of something...particularly when you then ascribe that evidence to an entire race of people is really really funny lazs.

Are you THAT much of a media stooge?

I bet you didn't flinch when you saw CNN describe the white couple who "found" food supplies and the shot of the black kid "looting" food supplies.


Now that's a good point especially the last part, thats just funny...:D

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« Reply #115 on: September 19, 2007, 10:48:43 AM »
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 quit identifying yourself with a race and others will too....

Don't defend the actions of people of your race that are indefensable and you will be taken seriously.    When you defend based on victimhood and excuse based on race... you make everyone a racist.

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Very good point Lasz...:aok

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« Reply #116 on: September 19, 2007, 10:51:51 AM »
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No it isn't.  Japanese culture until recently was unique to their island, whose population was nearly perfectly japanese in ethnicity.  All the people conformed to the average of that population's characteristics, characteristics which couldn't be found anywhere else.  You could in fact say that that population followed trends exclusive to it.  
 


Sure, but those characteristics occurred because of the isolation, feudal system, availability of natural resources, terrain, weather... etc. etc. NOT because they were asian.  

Just as the actions / reactions of the people in NO were due to factors both in and out of their control.... but they did not react that way simply because their race dictated it. This is not an excuse as lazs would say, just an observation.

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« Reply #117 on: September 19, 2007, 10:56:06 AM »
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I think it has to do with socialism..  

You know what.. when I first returned to France, that was one of the first things I thought.  The crappy state of things definitely all stemmed from socialism, somehow.


LEADPIG, I don't mean to cop out, but there's no doubt to me that there's a corelation between appearance and personality. Color of skin, local environment etc do play a part in the evolution of culture because culture is just the mosaic of all its authoring people.
E.G. You wouldn't find (given large enough sample of parallel universes) white europeans' culture and folklore etc perfectly matching that of africans, no matter how many times you rolled the dice.

The one and only real common trait among all humans is reason.


MT you have to look further up the chain of events.  Facial expression alone is itself a pretty big factor in the development of personality, as well as in interaction with others.  So it does play a part in the eventual culture produced by people's livelihood.
I think it's a pretty primitive force, but it still exists today nonetheless.
It's not so much their race that dictated it, but their conforming to that archetype that made it happen.  I'm simplifying things so you can see what the distinction I'm making is.  I'm not saying people of a certain ethnicity are predetermined to a certain future, but that they are predisposed to it if they don't realize that their appearance or heritage doesn't take precedence over their own individual will.
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« Reply #118 on: September 19, 2007, 12:03:06 PM »
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What you really saw were the poorest people in our country. You saw people who were desperate and undereducated and hungry and yes even criminally minded in some cases. You saw some who were victims of horrible circumstance and some who were taking advantage of the situation.

Unfortunately all you chose to register in your mind was the color of the skin on those people. Bigotry in any form is wrong.


The reason is that the state of being poor doesn't stick out, to the eye, the same way the state of being of a certain color does. That and the unarguable fact that in this country, a black man is statistically more likely to be poor, more likely to wind up in prison, than a white man. If this is not common knowledge, it is certainly common suspicion.

Now the reason why black people are more likely to suffer from poverty, or be jailed, is the root of all this bigotry. If they are at fault for the cycles of poverty and criminal behavior, then the bad reputation they earn their entire race isn't quite so shocking, now is it?

You can't blame a common observer for playing the odds in making a character judgment based on skin-color when this character judgment, as much as you hate it, is more often right than wrong.

If they are innocent,  however, and fall into these cycles because of somebody else, then yes, the pigeonholing is very cruel--to those that managed to avoid these oppressions, as well, as especially to those who have fallen into them.

So the question is, who or what is at the root of this social situation, and please don't tell me that the statistics lie.
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« Reply #119 on: September 19, 2007, 01:03:33 PM »
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