Why we need a black president

[LEADPIG]

Originally posted by lazs2
leadpig... I am glad you feel the way you do.  I find that I get along fine with older negros but that young ones...not so much... and ones who buy into the whole "black culture" thing... not at all.  nada.. none..  even the older ones... if you scratch the surface you will get to the hate and socialism.

I feel for you and your pain at being a slave so recently... with brothers and sisters just released...  My grandfather came from scotland and they would send the scotts down in the mine before the mules cause the mules were expensive.

ask around in any mining town about the history of the mines... the cotton field looks pretty good compared to our brand of slavery...

get over it.   even you... seem unable to let it go...you brought it up fer christsakes!   You proved my point...  negros can't let it go and become part of America..  why should I bother with em if they keep dragging themselves down into the whole mess?

As for your contention that they are not all socialists.... maybe.. but I am for sure more accurate than you are... look at the voting records of negros...The colored vote is a given.   it is a giveaway by people with a chip on their shoulder that drags them down.

Look as osamabama.... are you going to tell me that his voting record is not right out of some socialist pity pot agenda?

There are coloreds I would vote for.   Shelby steele for instanace... a few other conservatives but... oddly enough... they are hated and vilified by their own race.  And simply because they espouse having negros join America

lazs

Oh i'm over it, i just brought it up to point out the scars it's left on the generation before me, and how deeeep they are. I try to tell them things are much better, and deep down they know, but's it's tough for my mom for instance to forget, growing up in the middle of that. Of course some of those things are hard to forget, so you'll just have to understand it. It happens, time will come. As far as those folks that lean on it all the time, i don't get it. Truth is most folks nowadays are good and are not prejudiced, the world has really changed. Some folks run around like it's 1935 screaming racism all day i just wished they'd shut up, alot of the time it's not the case.  Sometimes it is fishy however like in the Rodney King case, did they really have to beat the man that many times? But to go around hollering racism at every thing like Al Sharpton does, come on.

Never have i seen how things were still unequal than when the hurricane hit New Orleans. I noticed it, i don't know if too many Americans did. I noticed how it seemed that every person left, it seemed was black. It seemed like the uncovering of a great social divide, right in front of our eyes. It showed me how unequal things still are, deep down in the country. I had a number of white friends say why didn't they just leave? To ask that very question shows how much you don't get it, and almost becomes an answer in itself....The answer. Alot of those folks couldn't load up the suburban and head out to the family second home in the suburbs. Let alone afford a motel 6 for 1 night. I some times wonder how some of the poor white folks got out, and seemed to be alot of black folks left. A good question isn't it? Why what does that say?

I don't think you can blame all of that or even alot of it, on people blaming everyone else for their situation as alot of conservatives don't seem to understand. I think alot of them live in a bubble and don't really get the gravity of the situation. Worse off they seem to want to talk and tell everyone what their problem is instead of listening. I think alot of that situation in New Orleans showed the impact that our divisions, historical and contemporary are still causing, in front of our very eyes.

One musing before i go..
I had a girlfriend once, a white girl from a very affluent community. I saw freedoms i never knew possible from my youth, in living attitude, and economic structure. This girl however was from an addictive family, alcoholism and such, she was a cocaine addict. She relapsed as i knew her. I noticed how she was able to score, the drug. The funny thing was this, she used to drive down to the poor neighborhood i grew up in and buy drugs from black folks. Black folks that sold the drug because of an economic and collapsing poverty and a lack of hope that these people only knew since birth. She had the money, she wanted to buy drugs to escape the boring oppulence of her life, and also cause she could, they couldn't. These people sold the drugs, in a primal need for survival that they searched to supply their most basic hungers of life and shelter, that their situation provided them for. Quite a divide....what does that say about America? What is the flip there? If you took either group of people and put them in either situation the results would be the same.  I pondered on that myself.

It's no excuse, but in finding the truth this question must at least be acknowledged.

[LEADPIG]

Oh, also Lasz ignore people who try to make you feel guilty, for what, being white?? The most ludicrous bolderdash i've ever heard. Such people have their own problems, don't bother with theirs. Just be a good guy and you have nothing to worry about. Anyone who tries to make you or anyone feel otherwise is in need of a major point of view and attitude adjustment.
Don't worry life usually supplies that.

[moot]

That's not exclusive to America.  The slavery era was, and it's been over for centuries.  Move on.

[Neubob]

You're a cool customer, Leadpig... This is exactly the sort of thinking that will make society more livable in the long run. All societies, not just ours.

I still get bent out of shape when somebody says 'Jew' with the intonation anywhere in my presence. Nevermind that people generally use that word/intonation combo to indicate that they got taken, were taken advantage of, or made a fool of by the target of the reference.

[LEADPIG]

Originally posted by moot
That's not exclusive to America.  The slavery era was, and it's been over for centuries.  Move on.

I agree, but like seismic waves from an earthquake, the waves do tend to move on, after the event. I think America is still noticing differences in status of life and economics of life, health, culture and everything else from this event. These peoples attitudes that people owe them something just makes it worse. If someone murders a family member, is it worth it to get revenge. Well your family member will still be dead, you can satisfy some internal selfish urge by holding on but it ultimately does no good. Just know this when you tell people from such families how easy it is too move on.

[moot]

I don't get it.  What families?
Are you saying that something that doesn't make sense can make sense if the conditions are dramatic enough?

[midnight Target]

Well, I have to say that Leadpig did a great job of stating the point.

I know I sometimes become flippant and I might even go a step too far in this regard. I know that most people in here are not racists and I am sure most have good hearts. I sometimes see things regarding race that come from the urge to protect those around me from discrimination. Sometimes, no, most of the time people don't even realize they are treating people unequally. Please understand that it happens more frequently than you might think, and that we should all strive to treat everyone equally.

I'm off the soap box.

[moot]

Yep, equally.  Which means you disregard ethnicity as though you were blind to it.  The whole "I'm black so I can be an ******* because of you/them" goes out the window with other braindead BS like the anti-war hippy retards' rhetoric.

[VonMessa]

Originally posted by Neubob
Ok wait just a damned minute... All jokes aside, does the word 'negro' have any negative connotation at all? Isn't just as offensive as, say, 'caucasian' or 'asian'?

Note: This is not meant to incite anger. I honestly want to know.

     Actually, the term afro-American or xxxx-American for that matter irritates me.

     My paternal great-grandparents were Italian-American, my maternal great-grandparents were German-American.  They were Italians/Germans who moved here and made this their home.  In addition, they were proud to call themselves Americans (sans prefix), once they received their citizenship!

     If you were born here, you are an American, period.  What I am also sick of are the whiners that claim "I can't do this cause the man puts me down for being white, black, asain, purple, etc"  Only YOU have the power to change your own destiny.  I served in the Army during the first "vacation" we went on in the Middle East.  I served with, commanded, and was commanded by blacks, whites, jewish folks, muslims, you name it.  I was proud to call all of them my comrades in arms.  I also learned a lot about many different cultures and their customs.  When involved in a live firefight I, personally gave a rats hind end what color or race they were.  As far as I was concerned they were all Army issue green (or desert camo chocolate chips in this case), and as long as we all had each other's six covered, thats all I ever needed to know.

     No matter where a canidate is from, I don't care what there sex,  color of their skin, or sexual orientation, etc is as long as it it Red, White, and Blue.  If you have what it takes to do the task at hand (in this case, being president) then go for it.  I will vote for the least idiotic person regardless of race, religion, etc.

[Curval]

Originally posted by LEADPIG
[BI don't see anything wrong with the word negro. It's the official word for black person. Just like caucasian is for white.  

If you meant no harm from it, you wouldn't have no problem. If you did, then you'd probably have a problem. Depending on how you handled said situation.

 [/B]

I think technically the term you are referring to is Negroid...when attempting to correlate it to "caucasian".

You second comment I agree with wholeheartedly.  If you think lazs was being "PC" though you obviously haven't been posting here too long.

He was just being lazs...not PC.  

[lazs2]

ledpig and moot... I very much agree with you that it is best to just walk away once the conversation gets off topic and onto the whole self pity race thing but..

We all have different ideas of what the self pity race thing is... to me... ledpig... you would make my eyes glaze over with the whole poor new orleans picked on negros and the poor rodney king thing... I don't think there was anymore mistreatment there than anywhere... what irked me was the reaction to it...

All out of proportion and all race based.  I knew white guys that were hospitalized... bikers.. when they "resisted arrest"  I didn't see the white community rioting and burning the place down... there were white folks in new orleans that lost everything... most due to their own stupidity but.... they didn't loot and rob...

a white is 7 times more likely to be a victim of a black perpetrated violent crime than vice versa but how many blacks are convicted of hate crimes?

you can't be around any negro for any length of time before he brings up race and... in a negative way... some example of how rough he has it because of his race.   that has been my experiance...  most, like you for instance... hardly even realize they are doing it but listen to yourself....  sheesh... I don't even want to know how you feel about vic and oj.

lazs

[Curval]

See?

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by lazs2
you can't be around any negro for any length of time before he brings up race and... in a negative way... some example of how rough he has it because of his race.

Since part of racism is grouping people together by their race and saying something like "all Asians are ...", then the above quote is racist.

That being said, anybody who has a problem with the term Negro should not take money from, or give any money to, the United Negro College Fund.

[Neubob]

Lazs,

Leadpig's bringing up race because that was the topic here. It's sort of hard not to when the whole conversation centers on the pitfalls of attempted equality in this country, namely the hypocrisy of forced race relations.

He's answered all the questions without getting defensive, and has cited very plausible reasons for why others do. Before this thread, in fact, I had no idea he was a 'Negro'. Frankly, I don't know what the problem is.

That being said, I haven't run into too many black people who are this way. I started to notice it years ago, when, as a young child, I started hearing some of the early rappers pounding their chests in public forums, screaming about the 400 some odd years that slavery existed (they never could seem to come up with a number they agreed on, but it was always at least a century or two more than historically possible).

Today I'm in law school, and the black students I go to class with generally whine and complain about the current inequalities more than anyone I've ever met(rappers included)--all this despite the fact that they have dozens of organizations and scholarships created specifically and exclusively for them--organizations that I have no access to at all. Mind you, these are kids in their 20s, not grandparents in their 70s, and yet the fact that their test scores and grades are on average lower is still the fault of the white man, not the man that raised them.

It is a bunch of bull****, as all this whining and complaining effectively turns them into their own latest and biggest oppressor.

I haven't seen leadpig making any of these excuses, however. Being bind to race is hard, but he's made it easier.

[Neubob]

On a related note, apparently Isaih Thomas has some opinions on who can say what to whom

white man calling a black woman *****

Simply astounding.