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« Reply #90 on: September 18, 2007, 04:41:48 PM »
NAACP, National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

who dem colored people? :confused:

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« Reply #91 on: September 18, 2007, 04:58:35 PM »
I honestly believe that it would be good for this country to have a president who is someone other than a wealthy, white, Republican or Democrat, Christian male.

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« Reply #92 on: September 18, 2007, 05:00:49 PM »
And yes, I'd vote for this guy:


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« Reply #93 on: September 18, 2007, 06:03:58 PM »
J.C. Watts from Oaklahoma.....I like that guy.
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« Reply #94 on: September 18, 2007, 06:07:33 PM »
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I honestly believe that it would be good for this country to have a president who is someone other than a wealthy, white, Republican or Democrat, Christian male.


Farrakhan?

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« Reply #95 on: September 18, 2007, 06:49:26 PM »
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I think Lasz was just trieing to be PC


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« Reply #96 on: September 18, 2007, 11:32:59 PM »
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I don't get it.  What families?
Are you saying that something that doesn't make sense can make sense if the conditions are dramatic enough?


Moot what if you were Jewish and i told you. "The Holocaust, get over it that was 55 years ago, so your Grandmother was gased in a chamber, big deal move on".

I would think i was being a bit flippant in those statements, an not very understanding or compassionate. I'm not the type to tell anyone to "Just get over it" of something of which i know nothing about. I respect people an let them have their time.  I'm not that arrogant.

However people that try to make you feel guilty about something like that are ridiculous. Please don't use them as your basis, for a whole group, in truth there are no groups. For instance, i don't believe that.

They should move on and "Get over it" as you say. However that is not for you to say, and is easy for you to say. Just understand that point and leave it alone, it's not your problem, nor should people try to make it your problem.

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« Reply #97 on: September 18, 2007, 11:36:10 PM »
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NAACP, National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

who dem colored people? :confused:


John, do you have any idea you are exposing yourself more and more with every post?

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« Reply #98 on: September 19, 2007, 12:20:11 AM »
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ledpig and moot... I very much agree with you that it is best to just walk away once the conversation gets off topic and onto the whole self pity race thing but..

We all have different ideas of what the self pity race thing is... to me... ledpig... you would make my eyes glaze over with the whole poor new orleans picked on negros and the poor rodney king thing... I don't think there was anymore mistreatment there than anywhere... what irked me was the reaction to it...

All out of proportion and all race based.  I knew white guys that were hospitalized... bikers.. when they "resisted arrest"  I didn't see the white community rioting and burning the place down... there were white folks in new orleans that lost everything... most due to their own stupidity but.... they didn't loot and rob...

a white is 7 times more likely to be a victim of a black perpetrated violent crime than vice versa but how many blacks are convicted of hate crimes?

you can't be around any negro for any length of time before he brings up race and... in a negative way... some example of how rough he has it because of his race.   that has been my experiance...  most, like you for instance... hardly even realize they are doing it but listen to yourself....  sheesh... I don't even want to know how you feel about vic and oj.

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With the NewOrleans thing i was trying to illustrate, the differences in the people that were left behind.  What does that say about America. What do you think are the lingering effects of our society that have caused that. What do you think the reason was Lasz? In answering that question i'd imagine you'd answer my question and your question and illustrate the divides still between us as people without even knowing it. I'll give you my ideas about it when you finish. We can all finish this and understand each other together. If we all did this, we could all move the world along quite further in understanding, if we all did that one simple thing.

As far as the Rodney King thing. Remember when the rapper Ice-T came out with the song "Cop Killer". Remember how Dan Quayle and alot of the republican establishment didn't get it.  They attacked Ice-T instead of realizing why such an angry song was made. If i was president, i would realize that art and culture is an excellent way for exposing how parts of a society feel deep down inside, and whats really going on, between us. I would take that as saying something.

Here's the reason.... Ice-T made that song to expose an amount of harrasment that was going on in LA that most of conservative white America wasn't getting at the time. Why weren't they "getting it"?  Because they didn't live in South Central LA and weren't getting beat by billy clubs regularly. Yet it never ceased to amaze me how quickly they were willing to get up and speak for those people and tell them what was really wrong with them, without listening to them or really hearing what they were expressing for themselves. There's alway been a certain amount of arrogance to conservatism that i just couldn't understand.

Anyway, that song was an angry outlash against a bad situation that had been stirring for years. It was no more different than someone, crying out in pain after being punched in the face. But Quayle didn't get that, or Bush senior. So instead of realizing what was really goin on and fixing that, they attacked Ice-T instead, the messenger. The result "Bam" a social explosion.

I didn't agree with the way Ice-T expressed his concern, i felt like there would be those easily swayed souls that would take that sarcastic, fantasy, inspired song and actually go hurt cops with it. Which was not the point of the song. As far as people burning LA and going crazy, i can understand it, i don't agree with it, but i understand. It was the lid being blown off a pressure cooker that those folks had been under for awhile. The Rodney King beating was just one example of a situation that had been going on for awhile. If you don't believe that, i'd say go live in South Central La for awhile, you might, think differently. Untill then don't be so quick to judge.
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« Reply #99 on: September 19, 2007, 12:32:13 AM »
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J.C. Watts from Oaklahoma.....I like that guy.


It's "Oklahoma" Dumbarse....

BTW we need a RedHeaded President!!!

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« Reply #100 on: September 19, 2007, 05:31:45 AM »
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It's "Oklahoma" Dumbarse....

BTW we need a RedHeaded President!!!

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« Reply #101 on: September 19, 2007, 07:16:30 AM »
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Moot what if you were Jewish and i told you. "The Holocaust, get over it that was 55 years ago, so your Grandmother was gased in a chamber, big deal move on".

I'd agree.  Some of my family that I was born just too late to know went through camps.  One of my grandfathers served in both world wars.
I haven't had the KKK burn family members, or any houses of theirs, but I did have giant swastikas painted on the side of a house I lived in, I did go to a school deep in french countryside where pretty much 2/3's of the people were blatantly of the opinion that brownies and anyone not french were sub-human.  I lived through the routine of going to school everyday, knowing the efforts I made would most likely not be recognized, etc.  
I had my father be denied entry to shops and restaurants... heck I could go on.
I could even go as far as saying my ancesters were eradicated (indians), or enslaved (africans), just as much as I could say that this very day I'm persecuted for things I haven't done, e.g. representing the french ("the man") here on this ex-slavery island, by merely speaking formal french instead of the local dialect.


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Not for me to say

That's bunk.  Who's for it to say, then?  Can I just keep grieving about some past occurence that is cold hard, immutable history, and insist that others buy into it too?  And call it unfair if they don't?   You may not say it in too rough a way, you might have to sugar coat it, but it will always boil down to the same thing.
**** happens.  Get over it.. Adapt or die.
There's nothing arrogant about that, it's the truth.  If someone's denying it and insists on wallowing in their own pity, then they're doing themselves a disservice.  


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it's not your problem, nor should people try to make it your problem.

Exactly.  So when you've got (almost) a whole culture grounded on and furthering the idea that it should be others' problem, and it's commercialized and taken as gospel, it's hard not to see it for the big bloated bag of acne that it is, ready to burst with BS at the slightest poke of reason.

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edit- in fact, about half-way through my visit to a holocaust museum (back in early high school, complete with nazi torture tools, etc), I had a strong aversion to what I saw but "big deal move on" was pretty much what I concluded, especialy after some classmates went all frothy about those ****in nazis.  WTF was the sense in that?  Turn the same way as the racists were?  That's a perpetual cycle.
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« Reply #102 on: September 19, 2007, 08:15:14 AM »
ledpig... you prove my point.

When I look at new orleans I look at what happened...  I seen a colored run city with a high crime rate and people living off crime and handouts and when a disaster struck I seen the dregs that stayed behind looting and robbing and raping and brutalizing each other....  I seen colored cops robbing a walmart.  I seen looters taking stuff that had nothing to do with survival.

When I seen rodney king I seen a man who was a career criminal and was loaded and attacking cops... if it were me when I was a biker I would have been beaten just as bad.   maybe worse.    I seen the colored people of that city burn their city to the ground and then wait in line at a burned out welfare office cheeping and begging like little baby birdies after spending the last week burning and beating and killing... they went from feral to beggars.

I seen asians in the same area with rifles defending their property.  They lived there too.

I heard my grandfather talk about the mines and the company stores... he didn't hate... he didn't get welfare.. he just worked his way out.   I did not grow up rich...  I know what it is to be a criminal.   I know whose fault that is sooo.... your example about the white girl and what would happen if we all switched places....  well...  I have done it... guess what... I worked my way out.   And what help does a white get with all this "racism"?  I have seen affirmative action and it sure as hell don't help anyone who looks like me.

my point is that I see the event... you see reasons for the event...  since we really can't ever know all the reasons for something.... talking to you (people like you) is frustrating for me... listening to excuses for behavior that is inexcusable is not something that I can tolerate.    

The lessons I learned from being a criminal and a biker was.... clean up your act before you go whining about how everyone is discriminating against you....  I would say to your race... clean up your act before you go whining about how everyone is discriminating against you.

In fact... I would say that a negro has it better than I did.... If he cleans up his act he has more opportunity than  I had... more of a chance to get ahead with AA and all.   I would say that cleaned up negros who try to fit in have way less real bigotry aimed at them than they imagine.

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« Reply #103 on: September 19, 2007, 08:36:36 AM »
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   I would say that cleaned up negros who try to fit in have way less real bigotry aimed at them than they imagine.

lazs


Maybe so, but they also have way more bigotry aimed at them than you imagine. I didn't quote your entire post, cause I hate that, but I think it speaks volumes. You see colored people doing this or colored people doing that and you assign a behavior to an entire race of people based on the color of the skin of the people you see on TV. It would be just as logical to say that you saw curly haired people doing this or that and assigning a behavior to all people with curly hair.

What you really saw were the poorest people in our country. You saw people who were desperate and undereducated and hungry and yes even criminally minded in some cases. You saw some who were victims of horrible circumstance and some who were taking advantage of the situation.

Unfortunately all you chose to register in your mind was the color of the skin on those people. Bigotry in any form is wrong.

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« Reply #104 on: September 19, 2007, 08:39:30 AM »
Nonetheless it is a trend MT.  Even if it does break down at the individual level.
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