B29 Superfortress and a thought from a squaddie

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by Bronk
Well now that the verbal tap dance is over and you are back on the subject at hand. That's right they do have  an advantage at alt lets explore that.
1. 3 mulligans= self explanatory
2. slaved laser guns= self explanatory
3. 360 mph at alt= almost impossible to climb and catch you have to be up already to hope to engage them
4. f3= impossible to sneak up on
5. EZ mode bomb sight=might as well use laser guided it's the same.
5. 20,000 lb bomb load= If thats not self explanatory.

So yes if introduced perk it and perk it heavily. I'd say right along the 262 perk line. With an eny of about 3.

                      Do you ever fly bombers? A "Laser range finder" from 30,000'?  You try hitting a single target from that high. "3 Mulligans"? Yeah sure if you want to risk losing all those points. And whoever said drones would be available, or, would always be flown? As for "slaved laser guns" the only "slave" in the AH B-29 would be the poor schmuck bomber stick running around to all the guns, while flying the thing, trying to save his perk points from deranged teenagers jumping  in 163s. An airplane that the 29 never ever saw in real life combat.

                  "360 mph"? Yeah probably top speed without bombs at angels 30. I'll bet at 15,000', the alt you'll see them most, it aint much faster then the KI-67. "F3 to sneak on"? How easy do you think it was to sneak up on actual bombers with all those eyes looking out? "20,000" lb bombload"? Very self explanatory. So learn to protect those strats. Yaknow? The ones that have 6.7k high airbases near them.

                So yeah, at alt, the B-29 would have an advantage over "most" fighters. But thats what perk airplanes are for. Fighter sticks have perk airplanes that have big advantages at any altitude. Some of which would be a serious threat to B-29s.

              With its perk price and eny the 29s would be flown far less then anyone thinks. I would probably fly them about as much as I fly the AR-234, which is a handful of times a week. The fact is perks and eny control the numbers of "ubers" like the 262 so why wouldnt they control B-29 numbers? Especially since the pool of those who have the patience to climb to those alts in bombers is much smaller then the pool of those who would jump into a 262.

                                     Nobody's dancing around anything. Ive just made these points so many times Im getting tired of it. If uber-fighters like the 262 are in the game then so should a bomber like the B-29.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
Do you ever fly bombers? Or are you just talking out your arse?
tappa tappa tap

 A "Laser range finder" from 30,000'?  You try hitting a single target from that high.
Historicly they didn't they didn't. They took out the target and everything around it. Have you ever seen some WWII bomb run films?

"3 Mulligans"? Yeah sure if you want to risk losing all those points. And whoever said drones would be available, or, would always be flown?

Only multi buff without drones available is the 25H, it's the exception to the rule. So I'd expect the 29 would have drone.

 As for "slaved laser guns" the only "slave" in the AH B-29 would be the poor schmuck bomber stick running around to all the guns, while flying the thing, trying to save his perk points from deranged teenagers jumping  in 163s. An airplane that the 29 never ever saw in real life combat.
Yea those 163s are everywhere... look there's one now.  You toss out more hyperbole than Krusty , thats no easy feat BTW.


                  "360 mph"? Yeah probably top speed without bombs at angels 30. I'll bet at 15,000', the alt you'll see them most, it aint much faster then the KI-67.
Ahh more hyperbole. here let me help you.
Powered by four 2200 hp Wright R-3350-23 radial engines driving 16-foot, 7-inch four-bladed propellers, the B-29 could cruise at 342 MPH at 30,000 feet. From http://www.acepilots.com/planes/b29.html. And that's in cruise not mil power.

"F3 to sneak on"? How easy do you think it was to sneak up on actual bombers with all those eyes looking out?
I'd bet a lot harder than hitting F3, zooming out and panning around with an arrow key.

"20,000" lb bombload"? Very self explanatory. So learn to protect those strats. Yaknow? The ones that have 6.7k high airbases near them.

Since you are so fond of tappa tappa tap. Think I'll try some. I know you don't fly fighters so you have NO idea how hard it is to catch buffs at alt now. Perk plane or no perk plane.  Wow, that is fun now I know why you do it.

                So yeah, at alt, the B-29 would have an advantage over "most" fighters. But thats what perk airplanes are for. Fighter sticks have perk airplanes that have big advantages at any altitude. Some of which would be a serious threat to B-29s.
Exactly, thats what perk AC are for. They add a bit of risk not present in most sorties. BTW how often do you see perk AC attacking buffs now. That's right, not many there are a handful that do it. Just like there will be a handful of 29 pilots that would fly it low. They care not for perks just the fun.


              With its perk price and eny the 29s would be flown far less then anyone thinks. I would probably fly them about as much as I fly the AR-234, which is a handful of times a week. The fact is perks and eny control the numbers of "ubers" like the 262 so why wouldn't they control B-29 numbers? Especially since the pool of those who have the patience to climb to those alts is much smaller then the pool of those who would jump into a 262.

BZZZZT wrong the ubers will fly whatever they want when they want. Most of them have thousands of perk points. Just like the *cough* uber buffers. Perks are there to keep the balance. If the 262 were perked like a Chog, you'd see a ton more. If you perked a 29 like a Chog , it'd be the same.

                                     Nobody's dancing around anything. Ive just made these points so many times Im getting tired of it.
You dance like a flea on a hot brick.

 If uber-fighters like the 262 are in the game then so should a bomber like the B-29.

 I agree however an uber buff needs an uber perk. Now If the A-26 is introduced I'd say that is a lightly perked buff.
See the diff?

[Rich46yo]

The B-29s hit record from 30,000' was so horrendously bad that Le May changed tactics and started sending them into cities at 5,000', sorta like AH, with incendiaries instead of HE. He said he wanted to hit Jap home industry, Of course we all know he just wanted to kill Japs.I forget what the track record was for the B-29s bombing from high alt but it was terrible, like 5% of bombs hit the target. So historically they hit everything but the target.

                        I'd expect the 29 would have drones as well.  All with high perks on them.

                        The reason the 163s aren't everywhere is because there aren't bombers everywhere's, and certainly not ones that would give you monster perks if you shoot them down. But, Ive flown in formations where we've seen all kinds of 163s.

                      Let me help, and I'll make this both succinct and simple, "how fast is it with bombs and without bombs".? Gee, yathink 20,000lbs of bombs would slow it down some?  Try and do more then quote others that any of us could look up.

                    Tell me how hard it is sunshine? To run down bombers? How much cartoon gas do you have to burn in your cartoon airplane? I have fighters chase me down all the time so I guess Ive learned somthing about it. But hey, I guess I just aint a uber fighter stick , ,.

""You dance like a flea on a hot brick. """

                 That was a swell dance around the F3 question kid. I got news for you, actually flying the bloody thing was a lot harder then sitting in front of a computer with your Red Baron outfit on. Let alone the F3 views. Seeya some time at 15,000'

[Redlegs]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
I got news for you, actually flying the bloody thing was a lot harder then sitting in front of a computer with your Red Baron outfit on.

Wait you were joking I thought everyone flew AH wearing:  

[Stoney74]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
The B-29s hit record from 30,000' was so horrendously bad that Le May changed tactics and started sending them into cities at 5,000', sorta like AH, with incendiaries instead of HE. He said he wanted to hit Jap home industry, Of course we all know he just wanted to kill Japs.I forget what the track record was for the B-29s bombing from high alt but it was terrible, like 5% of bombs hit the target. So historically they hit everything but the target.

The only reason their hit percentage at that altitude was so bad was because of the Jet Stream, which was a phenomenon that hadn't been discovered yet.  The goal was to use their potent high-altitude performance to avoid Japanese fighters during un-escorted daylight raids.  LeMay wasn't so much about killing Japanese as he was ruthlessly efficient.  

The point Bronk is trying to make is that with MA calibration, you can hit a target at any altitude, at any speed, as long as your calibration is good.  The only error in dropping bombs in the MA is introduced by either bad aim or bad calibration only.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Stoney74
The only reason their hit percentage at that altitude was so bad was because of the Jet Stream, which was a phenomenon that hadn't been discovered yet.  The goal was to use their potent high-altitude performance to avoid Japanese fighters during un-escorted daylight raids.  LeMay wasn't so much about killing Japanese as he was ruthlessly efficient.  

The point Bronk is trying to make is that with MA calibration, you can hit a target at any altitude, at any speed, as long as your calibration is good.  The only error in dropping bombs in the MA is introduced by either bad aim or bad calibration only.

What he said. To bad rich thinks its much harder to fly buffs than fighters.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
The B-29s hit record from 30,000' was so horrendously bad that Le May changed tactics and started sending them into cities at 5,000', sorta like AH, with incendiaries instead of HE. He said he wanted to hit Jap home industry, Of course we all know he just wanted to kill Japs.I forget what the track record was for the B-29s bombing from high alt but it was terrible, like 5% of bombs hit the target. So historically they hit everything but the target.

Been covered above.

                        I'd expect the 29 would have drones as well.  All with high perks on them.

Ohh so now you agree they need a hi perk congradulations, you're now a step up from numpty.

                        The reason the 163s aren't everywhere is because there aren't bombers everywhere's, and certainly not ones that would give you monster perks if you shoot them down. But, Ive flown in formations where we've seen all kinds of 163s.


 BZZZT wrong again. 163 enabled everywhere would be unbalancing. You starting to see a pattern yet?


                      Let me help, and I'll make this both succinct and simple, "how fast is it with bombs and without bombs".? Gee, yathink 20,000lbs of bombs would slow it down some?  Try and do more then quote others that any of us could look up.

awww whats a matter using links to back up my argument a bit much for you. Try it sometime instead of spewing hyperbole.


                    Tell me how hard it is sunshine? To run down bombers? How much cartoon gas do you have to burn in your cartoon airplane? I have fighters chase me down all the time so I guess Ive learned somthing about it. But hey, I guess I just aint a uber fighter stick , ,.

No kidding ya mook.  Guess what you can get above a B-26 max speed alt . A 29's is so high it'd be almost impossible to get an alt advantage on it . Boy you are about as slow as they come.


""You dance like a flea on a hot brick. """

                 That was a swell dance around the F3 question kid. I got news for you, actually flying the bloody thing was a lot harder then sitting in front of a computer with your Red Baron outfit on. Let alone the F3 views. Seeya some time at 15,000'

Awww I guess your the only one that can go tappa tappa tap.
With all dumbing down for buffs the fluffers should be made to jump gun to gun looking for targets.
Yea fluffing is so hard . Just got done in LWB sinking a rook cv with a 90 degree deflection drop.  ZOMG it was so hard to hit the "u" and "y" key.

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by Bronk
Awww I guess your the only one that can go tappa tappa tap.
With all dumbing down for buffs the fluffers should be made to jump gun to gun looking for targets.
Yea fluffing is so hard . Just got done in LWB sinking a rook cv with a 90 degree deflection drop.  ZOMG it was so hard to hit the "u" and "y" key.

                            Can someone translate that? Must be a generation thingy. Dude I have no idea what your talking about.

                            Yaknow kid you can be the greatest fighter jock in AH and your still flying a cartoon airplane in a cartoon game on a computer. Kinda puts it all in perpspective dont it? Have fun, play the game, and whatever you do dont get in the 6 of B-26s.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
Can someone translate that? Must be a generation thingy. Dude I have no idea what your talking about.

                            Yaknow kid you can be the greatest fighter jock in AH and your still flying a cartoon airplane in a cartoon game on a computer. Kinda puts it all in perpspective dont it? Have fun, play the game, and whatever you do dont get in the 6 of B-26s.

Basically  Einstein I'm making fun of you far saying I dance around the subject.
What you basically did was a the equivalent of "I know you are but what am I.".

So your all hyperbole and straw man arguments. That's why you can't stay on topic we've been on . Performance of the B-29 at alt and the relevance that would have on perk cost.

So you just keep on thinking I'm a kid numpty, if that's what it take to make you feel better.

[MajIssue]

Originally posted by Lusche
Calibration routine is not affected by altitude in any way. Stable speed & alt, hit U then hold down Y for 10 seconds. Perfect calibration, regardless if your are at 10k or 30k.

Yes the routine is the same but the visibility IS NOT. [BTW check my  damage rating if you doubt that I know how to hit a target with buffs!] It's easier to see the groung at 15K than at 25K... agreed? It is a fact that bombing accuracy suffers in relation to altitude in AH. As for the Superfort... in order to get up to 30K to ensure that you don't squander your 200 perks per airplane you'd have to up from a rear area field, spending alot of time climbing out. If HTC were to introduce the '29, I think it would be uncommon to see more than 1 or two boxes at a time, due to the high perkies required to up them (I think that there is a consensus that there would be a high perk cost for a B-29 ride).

[Murdr]

Here again, you are uninformed on the subject.  Current arena settings have "Auto calibrate bombsight" enabled.  The only thing a bomber pilot has to do is press a button and then maintain the same speed and altitude which the calibration was set for.  

Having never had to go through the full calibration process, and having never had to drop through various wind layers, you have no perspective on how easy it currently is.

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by Bronk
Basically  Einstein I'm making fun of you far saying I dance around the subject.
What you basically did was a the equivalent of "I know you are but what am I.".

So your all hyperbole and straw man arguments. That's why you can't stay on topic we've been on . Performance of the B-29 at alt and the relevance that would have on perk cost.

So you just keep on thinking I'm a kid numpty, if that's what it take to make you feel better.

                         Actually my friend you have me a bit befuddled. You tell me Im dancing but you dont tell me what Im dancing around. And to make it worse your starting to blubber.

                        Answer the question: Is the B-29 performance stats with or without a full bombload? Your the one doing the dance.

                      Obviously a full bombload is going to slow it down. Right? I would also assume the specs on the airplane are without a bombload.

                     So your saying its just as easy hitting a single target from 30,000' as 15,000':rofl  Sure it is Jethro. Whatever you say.

                     And I still dont know what in heck you were talking about with that post. What is a "fluffer"? What does "ZOMG" mean?

[MajIssue]

Originally posted by Murdr
Here again, you are uninformed on the subject.  Current arena settings have "Auto calibrate bombsight" enabled.  The only thing a bomber pilot has to do is press a button and then maintain the same speed and altitude which the calibration was set for.  

Having never had to go through the full calibration process, and having never had to drop through various wind layers, you have no perspective on how easy it currently is.

WRONG WRONG WRONG... I played the original AH with the old bombsite settings. The old settings took forever to get right at hi alt, and were guaranteed to miss anything that went through a wind layer. The Norden bombsite had compensation for windage incorperated... When you assume...

[Murdr]

Then why do you choose to ignore that bombing from alt is currently highly simplified?

[edit]Actually, if you know everything, why did you bother to start yet another b-29 thead?

[Motherland]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
Actually my friend you have me a bit befuddled. You tell me Im dancing but you dont tell me what Im dancing around. And to make it worse your starting to blubber.

                        Answer the question: Is the B-29 performance stats with or without a full bombload? Your the one doing the dance.

                      Obviously a full bombload is going to slow it down. Right? I would also assume the specs on the airplane are without a bombload.

                     So your saying its just as easy hitting a single target from 30,000' as 15,000':rofl  Sure it is Jethro. Whatever you say.

                     And I still dont know what in heck you were talking about with that post. What is a "fluffer"? What does "ZOMG" mean?

Have you ever tried to catch a bomber at high altitudes? Its not easy, even against Lacasters and such. Either way, the B29 is yet FASTER.

At 15000 or 30000 feet, hitting a strat is childs play. Dont kid yourself.