Running

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by ColKLink
Who cares what the enemy thinks? Everyone knows we're not running a popularity contest? right?? extend,........ just when he gives up on you as a runner, , come back and zap him.

And you wonder why you're so easy to shoot down...


ack-ack

[WaRLoCkL]

Originally posted by dedalos
I read as match as I could.  Thread is too long lol.  There is one thing I see in here.  After all these years in the game, people, including vets are suggesting to use your planes strengths in order to win the fight.  Then they proceed to explain that that means extending (or running).  WTF?

After all these years in the game you still look at it as who can turn better?  If you have a Hurri diving on your six then yes, do what you have to.  But co e HO merge and all you can come up with is, "yeah, couple of turns then run, don't play his game, must stay alive, etc"  Why the couple of turns? just in case he does not know how to pull on the stick?

Use your plains strengths.  Go up!!!!. Slow the Hurri down to the point that its useless.  Then pull up.  I can show you what I mean if you like.

U ever tried to outclimb a hurricane in a corsair with equal E?, for that matter u ever tried to outclimb ANYTHING with a corsair, that was my whole point dedalos, it depends on the plane with what u should do, but a smart pilot will break off his turns if he is losing, THATS SMART FLYING.

I guess in the eyes of some people if we know we are losing the battle we should just stay there and let them get the kill.

Listen to what u are saying, In any dogfight the one losing the turning battle is going to try to regain the advantage somehow, Extending is not running, thats just what a slow plane flyer says.

ACM TACTICS INCLUDE,

Turning
Boom and Zoom
Roping
Scissors
Rolling scissors
Immelmens
Spit-S

Why is it all these tacticts seem to be accepted exept the BOOM And ZOOM method?

Seems only the slow plane flyers have a problem with the boom and zoomers becaue they wont TURN with them.

I think this brings back the original point of MAKE THEM FIGHT YOUR FIGHT.

[hubsonfire]

I don't think anyone's taking issue with BnZing, but more with the fact that what you describe doing, isn't what anyone sees you doing.

[ink]

warbflock  

   you talk(type) a lot for a noob,      pathetic   ill say this you run real well, HO even better,  fly smart?    its a game    have    FUN,    

    im still waiting for the film


MWL    

Aces High   is an awesome combat flight sim the best there is, in fact.  
          its about having fun, i have flown all styles, been in AH since tour 52,  not a "old timer"  but more than long enough to know what i am talking about,  warlock is an noob who thinks he is great,  dont pay too much attention to him.  
            seriously though it is about having fun,  if you care what other people think about you and getting respect in the community,  
fly with respect, they will give you respect. not all though
    if making the NME angry is what makes you happy than by all means fly that way (HO,vulch,pick,ackhug,talk trash on 200, ect. ect.)  
    just dont let others dictate how you fly
welcome to Aces High

[Stang]

An F4u co-E with a hurricane should destroy it, unless you are both slow.  Which in Wackalockl's case I bet is never the issue.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
U ever tried to outclimb a hurricane in a corsair with equal E?, for that matter u ever tried to outclimb ANYTHING with a corsair, that was my whole point dedalos, it depends on the plane with what u should do, but a smart pilot will break off his turns if he is losing, THATS SMART FLYING.

I guess in the eyes of some people if we know we are losing the battle we should just stay there and let them get the kill.

Listen to what u are saying, In any dogfight the one losing the turning battle is going to try to regain the advantage somehow, Extending is not running, thats just what a slow plane flyer says.

ACM TACTICS INCLUDE,

Turning
Boom and Zoom
Roping
Scissors
Rolling scissors
Immelmens
Spit-S

Why is it all these tacticts seem to be accepted exept the BOOM And ZOOM method?

Seems only the slow plane flyers have a problem with the boom and zoomers becaue they wont TURN with them.

I think this brings back the original point of MAKE THEM FIGHT YOUR FIGHT.

Ummm...not one to split hairs or anything and I'm sure as the uber ace you are, you knew this already but....Immelmen and the Split-S aren't tactics but examples of basic Air Combat Maneuvers (ACM to us laymen that aren't in your sphere of ace greatness).   Basically, these are maneuvers that can be used for certain tactics but these moves in themselves aren't tactics.  But then, I'm not an uber aces such as yourself so YMMV.


ack-ack

[BaldEagl]

Am I an uber ace?  I wanna be an uber ace.  Can I just proclaim myself one?  Whoohooo!  Behold my sphere of greatness.

[WaRLoCkL]

Originally posted by Stang
An F4u co-E with a hurricane should destroy it, unless you are both slow.  Which in Wackalockl's case I bet is never the issue.

Not CO-E in a climb stang, less we forget a corsair is one of the slowest accelerators, and one of the worse climbers.

You are not totally wrong a 4 hog would be able to keep up better, but a hog vs a hurricane in a climb the corsair is going to slow down ALOT faster and stall earlier than the hurri will. The corsair would need atlest 75mph more speed to climb and keep out of gun range befor the hurri stalled

AND INK, dont make me break out the vidio of me handing you your ars in the DA after u started whining about the way i fly.

U still claim i hoed u int he DA i got the film, and can post it if u feel the need to see it, but watch your own dang vidio.

How could i HO U when from the cockpit of your plane u could not even see my plane in your FOV. i was more at your 10 or 9 o clock.

So lay off it

[WaRLoCkL]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Ummm...not one to split hairs or anything and I'm sure as the uber ace you are, you knew this already but....Immelmen and the Split-S aren't tactics but examples of basic Air Combat Maneuvers (ACM to us laymen that aren't in your sphere of ace greatness).   Basically, these are maneuvers that can be used for certain tactics but these moves in themselves aren't tactics.  But then, I'm not an uber aces such as yourself so YMMV.


ack-ack

umm u just made no sense, i called them  ACMS and u told me they are not tactics but basic ACM

what part of ACM tactics did u not see??

[WaRLoCkL]

Once again just the regular group of GANG HOUNDS looking to pick a fight. Just because I know how to fly dosnt mean i proclam myself to be a ace.

But in your opinion  WHAT IS A ACE.

Seems to me knowone can be an ace but the ones that come in here in the BBS and want to talk about how others fly and how they do it wrong.

Fact is I may be new blood but NONE of u know my background, I have been playing Flight sims since DOS, and was frequently in the top ranks in air warrior 1 and 3.

I guess knowone but u guys can have knowledge.

I am not a SELF proclaimed ace,

Come to the rook side and ask people about me and if they think I am a ace or not.

All I know is i KILL way more than I get killed by, and I own people in reversals all the time.

My definition of a true ace is someone who can turn a fight from a dis-advantage to a advantage.

Oh and whining all the time about hoers and gang tards just means u cant figure out how to avoid it, thus describing how low your skill lvl is

[toonces3]

Mole,
With your question foremost in my mind yesterday, I logged onto the MA shortly after reading this post.

First engagement, I was in an F4U 3/4 of the way between our field and the enemy field.  I had previously been sprinkled by a B-17 flight before running into a lone pony.  I came in from his 6, and with about 2k altitude advantage and was rapidly approaching.  I know this guy saw me, and what I think he was doing was slowing down and baiting me in.  At any rate, at 800 out he broke and I sprinkled him, then overshot.  In the vertical, I lost sight of him in the star wars blast shield behind my head.  I'm looking and looking and can't find him, so I point the nose down and extend.  
Sure enough, he's sitting 400 off my nose high and he puts bullets all over my plane.
As we pass, I just keep the gas on and since I have way more speed than him now, as he reverses he settles 1.5k out on my 6.  I'm headed flat out for home and I see on the text buffer "run F4U" to which I replied, "Hey you can catch me, if you want me come and get it."  I have a sector and a half to go to get home and a pony should easily catch me.
I egressed to home and landed my shot up plane.

Next sortie I up a P-51D, hoping to run into my friend.  Instead, I run into a pair of P-47's in close formation, and a spit 8 engaged with a friendly.  The friendly quickly gets shot down by one of the P-47's.  Now, I'm sitting comfortably with the choice to evade the second P-47 and egress, or stay and fight a 3v1, at least two of whom were a team.  I elected to stay.  We went several turns although I couldn't get a gun solution as every time I had one getting close, another was setting up his run.  Alas, I blacked myself out on one turn, and in the 30 second timeout BEARKATTS shot me down.  I didn't really expect to live 3v1 though.

So, all in all, I have to say that, while fun, I didn't find getting shot down any more satisfying than running home and landing alive.

To each their own, but I believe I'll stick with the disengagement option for now.

[WaRLoCkL]

Originally posted by toonces3
Mole,
With your question foremost in my mind yesterday, I logged onto the MA shortly after reading this post.

First engagement, I was in an F4U 3/4 of the way between our field and the enemy field.  I had previously been sprinkled by a B-17 flight before running into a lone pony.  I came in from his 6, and with about 2k altitude advantage and was rapidly approaching.  I know this guy saw me, and what I think he was doing was slowing down and baiting me in.  At any rate, at 800 out he broke and I sprinkled him, then overshot.  In the vertical, I lost sight of him in the star wars blast shield behind my head.  I'm looking and looking and can't find him, so I point the nose down and extend.  
Sure enough, he's sitting 400 off my nose high and he puts bullets all over my plane.
As we pass, I just keep the gas on and since I have way more speed than him now, as he reverses he settles 1.5k out on my 6.  I'm headed flat out for home and I see on the text buffer "run F4U" to which I replied, "Hey you can catch me, if you want me come and get it."  I have a sector and a half to go to get home and a pony should easily catch me.
I egressed to home and landed my shot up plane.

Next sortie I up a P-51D, hoping to run into my friend.  Instead, I run into a pair of P-47's in close formation, and a spit 8 engaged with a friendly.  The friendly quickly gets shot down by one of the P-47's.  Now, I'm sitting comfortably with the choice to evade the second P-47 and egress, or stay and fight a 3v1, at least two of whom were a team.  I elected to stay.  We went several turns although I couldn't get a gun solution as every time I had one getting close, another was setting up his run.  Alas, I blacked myself out on one turn, and in the 30 second timeout BEARKATTS shot me down.  I didn't really expect to live 3v1 though.

So, all in all, I have to say that, while fun, I didn't find getting shot down any more satisfying than running home and landing alive.

To each their own, but I believe I'll stick with the disengagement option for now.

Dont worry about what others say to u, his msg of RUN F4U was just trying to heckle u to turn around on him. If u already had been peppered twice and wont suffering from seriouse damage, then the next hit would probly take off something important. The fact is if u didnt feel comfterble turning around on him then dont. However just a tip for next time, if u had zoom climbed a little bit and immilmanned back into him, and flew to the side u would have coaxed him into turning to get a shot, then since your speed was alot faster and he was already bleeding his off in the turn, if u had went verticle on him then he would of lost the fight. U would have either shot him down after the stall, or he would of ran like most ponys do.

A pony calling a Corsair a runner is like the pot calling the kettle black.

He only said it because u wouldnt fight his fight.

[Stang]

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
You are not totally wrong a 4 hog would be able to keep up better, but a hog vs a hurricane in a climb the corsair is going to slow down ALOT faster and stall earlier than the hurri will. The corsair would need atlest 75mph more speed to climb and keep out of gun range befor the hurri stalled

Really?

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL


Fact is I may be new blood but NONE of u know my background, I have been playing Flight sims since DOS, and was frequently in the top ranks in air warrior 1 and 3.

So we could all get a bigger laugh out of this thread, what was your CPID in AW?


ack-ack

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Once again just the regular group of GANG HOUNDS looking to pick a fight. Just because I know how to fly dosnt mean i proclam myself to be a ace.


All I know is i KILL way more than I get killed by, and I own people in reversals all the time.

 

Geez, you really are never going to get it are you? Let others discuss your skills.  It's for others to decide if you are an "ace".  You certainly aren't going to hear a lot of positive feedback when you are breaking an arm to pat yourself on the back.  Shut up, already.