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[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by shamroc
Well, all I have to say about that film is:

"Welcome to the Main Arena"

The MA is NOT the place to have "honorable" 1 on 1 fights.  Ultimately, the goal is to win the war, and good team play ultimately dominates everything else - including individual skill.

Call it what you will (gangbang, picking etc. etc.) but that's what that arena is all about.

If you don't want to fight to win, in a team, you should stay out of the MA (as TC noted, he doesn't go there much anymore because of that reason - not his cup of tea, and there's nothing wrong with that).

I completely understand the frustration of getting jumped by a group of (let's say for the sake of the argument) lesser skilled pilots, but that's the way it goes in the MA.  They may be less skilled, may be less "honorable" by your personal standard, but they ultimately are SMARTER than you are.

If you don't like it, form your own team of superior sticks and go after them - and if you don't have the patience/discipline/intelligence/inclination to do this, stay in the DA or A&A (which has more a 1 vs 1 "culture" to it).

What gets me is a LOT of good sticks complain that they don't like MA environment, and constantly lament that they get picked and gangbanged - yet, they keep coming back to the MA's.  WHY ?  I'd think with all this talk that the DA/A&A would be constantly full with a respectable amount of really skilled pilots - the elite player base if you will - yet I always find these arenas empty.

Personally, I like both types of play:  the anything goes world of the MA, and they 1vs1 "no excuses" play of the DA/A&A (A&A is my favorite arena BTW) - yet I always find the latter arenas completely empty - and this forum full of people who cry that they don't like the MA environment.

Why ?

Shamroc

Mr Shamroc,
you welcoming me to the main arena?

I willingly engaged 2 F4U's knowing I was out numbered, I was not looking for a 1 vs 1 fight.......it is the mentality of todays players that have no problem with jumping in to a point it is over kill........

I wouldn't even mind it if it was 3 to me sometimes even 4....but to bare down on a long soul 7 or 8 to 1 is exactly whats wrong with the MA today........

it is MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE with no etiquette or good gamemanship............

that is what most older longer time players complain about....the mega squads that insist on mega numbers verses the 1....then to have someone come on here and blatantly thump thy chest that they are better than most and they don't gang , and only pick to save a squaddie or friendly........

the film has served its purpose...........


the sad part is the only people that truely sees the change is the people who were here from AH's beginning ......alot of long time players have left or only cruise the BBS anymore and don't play......you ask why?  look at the film.......

anyone who has only started since mid 2004  really does not know "how it use to be"!

the only thing that is relevant though, is regardless of how long any of us play a game, we must adapt to the ever changing scene of the Arena............

if it is not fun, don't do it!

I have my fun stil : scenarios/Training/AvsA/FSO/KOTH  and helping anyone I can when I have time to help!

I don't have fun being mafia'ed or being BOP'ed or being DFA'ed or being JG54thed.........well I take that 54th part back, them guys have changed alot they should not be catagorized with other large squads.....

heck, the Muppets, the flying Circus, the 367ty, the 479th squads or the BK's all fly to gether but they don't gang together.........there is a distinct difference in comradery........or in etiquette.......for the AH community......

finished here.......

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by shamroc
Ultimately, the goal is to win the war....



Shamroc

No, it's not and that has never been the main goal of Aces High.  Honestly, it's those that think the goal is to win the "War" that have dragged down the game play.  So in my opinion, you types aren't part of the solution but part of the problem.  Enjoy.


ack-ack

[evenhaim]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser
Mr Shamroc,
you welcoming me to the main arena?

I willingly engaged 2 F4U's knowing I was out numbered, I was not looking for a 1 vs 1 fight.......it is the mentality of todays players that have no problem with jumping in to a point it is over kill........

I wouldn't even mind it if it was 3 to me sometimes even 4....but to bare down on a long soul 7 or 8 to 1 is exactly whats wrong with the MA today........

it is MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE with no etiquette or good gamemanship............

that is what most older longer time players complain about....the mega squads that insist on mega numbers verses the 1....then to have someone come on here and blatantly thump thy chest that they are better than most and they don't gang , and only pick to save a squaddie or friendly........

the film has served its purpose...........


the sad part is the only people that truely sees the change is the people who were here from AH's beginning ......alot of long time players have left or only cruise the BBS anymore and don't play......you ask why?  look at the film.......

anyone who has only started since mid 2004  really does not know "how it use to be"!

the only thing that is relevant though, is regardless of how long any of us play a game, we must adapt to the ever changing scene of the Arena............

if it is not fun, don't do it!

I have my fun stil : scenarios/Training/AvsA/FSO/KOTH  and helping anyone I can when I have time to help!

I don't have fun being mafia'ed or being BOP'ed or being DFA'ed or being JG54thed.........well I take that 54th part back, them guys have changed alot they should not be catagorized with other large squads.....

heck, the Muppets, the flying Circus, the 367ty, the 479th squads or the BK's all fly to gether but they don't gang together.........there is a distinct difference in comradery........or in etiquette.......for the AH community......

finished here.......

TC and Akak summed it up nicely

[SteveBailey]

I was quite confident that I didn't need to address the individual points of Sham's post.  I was certain that a vet or two would come along and take care of it. They did not disappoint.

[shamroc]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
Hey Sherlock, err Shamrock.  I was pointing out the irony of the film because Warlock has loudly and repeatedly proclaimed, in this thread, that he doesn't gangbang. The fact that TC just happened to have such a definitive film only serves to add to the perfection of the moment. I wasn't complaining about anything.  Try to keep up, ok?

Was not commenting on Warlockl - just making a broad commentary on what the MA actually is.  IMHO, that is what this thread is about - the MA environment - somehow it's been hijacked and turned into a thread about Warlockl.

Shamroc

[Rich46yo]

I have 1 on 1 fights all the time in the MA. I fly bombers however and they are mostly with very good sticks while flying against strats near main airfields. The Knights in particular have very good sticks, and whom are also gentleman, and tho Ive mostly been killed Im starting to survive, even shoot down, some very good sticks in very good airplanes.

                             No matter who wins a is sent with a message of "fine fighting". I have found some excellent people in the MA. But yeah I get some of what you others are saying as well.

[BaldEagl]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser
Mr Shamroc,
you welcoming me to the main arena?

I willingly engaged 2 F4U's knowing I was out numbered, I was not looking for a 1 vs 1 fight.......it is the mentality of todays players that have no problem with jumping in to a point it is over kill........

I wouldn't even mind it if it was 3 to me sometimes even 4....but to bare down on a long soul 7 or 8 to 1 is exactly whats wrong with the MA today........

it is MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE with no etiquette or good gamemanship............

that is what most older longer time players complain about....the mega squads that insist on mega numbers verses the 1....then to have someone come on here and blatantly thump thy chest that they are better than most and they don't gang , and only pick to save a squaddie or friendly........

the film has served its purpose...........


the sad part is the only people that truely sees the change is the people who were here from AH's beginning ......alot of long time players have left or only cruise the BBS anymore and don't play......you ask why?  look at the film.......

anyone who has only started since mid 2004  really does not know "how it use to be"!

the only thing that is relevant though, is regardless of how long any of us play a game, we must adapt to the ever changing scene of the Arena............

if it is not fun, don't do it!

I have my fun stil : scenarios/Training/AvsA/FSO/KOTH  and helping anyone I can when I have time to help!

I don't have fun being mafia'ed or being BOP'ed or being DFA'ed or being JG54thed.........well I take that 54th part back, them guys have changed alot they should not be catagorized with other large squads.....

heck, the Muppets, the flying Circus, the 367ty, the 479th squads or the BK's all fly to gether but they don't gang together.........there is a distinct difference in comradery........or in etiquette.......for the AH community......

finished here.......

Well put.  

[shamroc]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser
Mr Shamroc,
you welcoming me to the main arena?

I wouldn't even mind it if it was 3 to me sometimes even 4....but to bare down on a long soul 7 or 8 to 1 is exactly whats wrong with the MA today........

it is MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE with no etiquette or good gamemanship............

I was just pointing out what the MA is today - was actually validating your point - not attacking you.   Like I said - you see it for what it is (opportunist's cesspool), don't like it (which is totally fine) and you presumably go to the other arenas where "Sporting Play" is the norm.

I did not comment on the chest beating aspect (Warlockl vs Skyrock) - I will now - Like I've said in the past :  I think chest beating is the biggest dweeb thing a player can do - and it's dweebish regardless of the braggart's actual skill level.  I actually have less respect for a skilled player bragging rather than a beginner... After all, a skilled player should know better.

I also do not have much respect for people who whine about the MA, when all they need to do is jump into the DA/A&A where sporting play is the norm.  I actually PREFER sporting play myself, and I find it completely frustrating to log in, night after night, and seeing these arenas EMPTY (especially given all the big talk and holier-than-though rants you read on these forums).  

My little "Secret Agenda" (if you want to call it that) with that post was to make people think about why they hate the MA, and persuade them into filling the "Honorable Play" arena.

And no, my "Welcome to the MA" was not directed at you personally TC - I'm sorry it came out that way and I apologize (my bad).

Shamroc

[shamroc]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
No, it's not and that has never been the main goal of Aces High.  Honestly, it's those that think the goal is to win the "War" that have dragged down the game play.  So in my opinion, you types aren't part of the solution but part of the problem.  Enjoy.


ack-ack

The majority would disagree with you ack-ack.

The majority does enjoy opportunistic play, and DOES play to win the war in a cold calculating manner.  The very small vocal minority of (skilled veterans) on this forum does not represent the majority out there in the MA's.

This is why the MA's are always full, and the DA/A&A arenas are always empty.

My own personal opinion is that it's SAD - and I wish the everyone who agrees that MA play is "broken" would fill the latter two arenas.

All I see is a lot of people complaining, yet they keep going back rather than do something about it.

Shamroc

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by shamroc
The majority would disagree with you ack-ack.



Shamroc

Let them disagree.  The fact is that this game has never been about winning the "War".  If you have any doubt, ask HiTech.


ack-ack

[WaRLoCkL]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I seriously doubt he has played that long, it would have made him around 5 or 6 during the height of AW4W in AOL.   I, for one, can't recall ever seeing his CPID in AW4W or AW3 and I'm sure others would have heard of him as well if he claims to have been as good as he says he was in AW.

It's also really funny that he can't remember what squad he flew with or what arena he flew in AW.  


ack-ack

Do the math, 24-10+14 i played up till 16, after that i stayed out of the loop in online flight sims fore a while.

When did I ever say I was good back then also?? I just said I have been playing for a long time.

Funny thing is when i mentioned DOS flight sims, half of u thought i was talking about a squadron, so i guess maybe the length of time u have been playing could be brought into question.

[llama]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
No, it's not and that has never been the main goal of Aces High.  Honestly, it's those that think the goal is to win the "War" that have dragged down the game play.  So in my opinion, you types aren't part of the solution but part of the problem.  Enjoy.


ack-ack

Ack,

He didn't say the main goal of Aces High was winning the war. He said the main goal in the Main Arena is to win the war. And I don't necessarily disagree with that.

Though winning the war isn't *my* goal when I fly in the main arena (see below), I recognize that it is probably everybody else's goal, and I fly appropriately. My goal is to be among the best pilots out there. My goal is to employ dazzling tactics to shoot someone down and get a "Salute LLAMA" in return. My goal is to film someone employing great ACM to shoot me down and then review the tape and learn from it, and to salute the fellow who did it. But I don't forget for a second that I'm doing this in a virtual world where the war-winning rules of the game were put into place to encourage folks to play that way.

At the 2006 Con HiTech said "This game is all about pissing off the other guy," and that's true too. Heck, if I just count the number of times various pilots whined about how they were shot down by a "gangtard," "vultchtard," or "picktard" just this week alone, then by HiTech's own reasoning, I've won this game 50 times over. ;-)

But getting back to your main point, Ack, what do you think the main goal of pilots in the Main Arena should be?

-Llama

[WaRLoCkL]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
    oh my.

Warlockl.... ummm that's a gang.

Hey I dont doubt u on that one steve, thats a prefect example of a gang, but ask TC what he was doing out there all by himself in the first place, we had been flying around for 30 minutes without a con sighting, we were low on fuel and wont going back home empty handed.

Yes slot passed away several months ago, which was when i was VERY NEWBISH,

I actually thank u for posting this film, it put a smile on my face cause i can remember how hard we were lauphing at that poor little pony, and then the corsair that chased him down to steal the kill.

That is how the mustang mafia flew, we upped together, landed together and died together.

Even though the squad now falls under me and under a new name, I still fly with slot at my wing.

Im not going to start a argument with this film, because it really shows, that guys complaining about ganging and hoing and all of that mumbo jumbo really dont think about the important things in life.

That was my orignal post in this forum, it was to describe how u cant take all these people seriously and why i call them crybabys.

I would apreciate that if u watch this film then do not make derogetory comments, if anything lauph about 4 guys who decided to up tempest and have a ball one night.  

After all its really all about having fun, and some people throw fun out the window and want to wine, piss, and moan, and that is how we end up with threads like this.

[shamroc]

Originally posted by llama

Though winning the war isn't *my* goal when I fly in the main arena (see below), I recognize that it is probably everybody else's goal, and I fly appropriately. My goal is to be among the best pilots out there. My goal is to employ dazzling tactics to shoot someone down and get a "Salute LLAMA" in return. My goal is to film someone employing great ACM to shoot me down and then review the tape and learn from it, and to salute the fellow who did it.
-Llama

Very very very well put Llama.  

Shamroc

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by shamroc
Was not commenting on Warlockl - just making a broad commentary on what the MA actually is.  IMHO, that is what this thread is about - the MA environment - somehow it's been hijacked and turned into a thread about Warlockl.

Shamroc

Sorry Sham, you quoted my post so I thought you  were speaking directly to me.  Thanks for clearing it up for me.