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Originally posted by shamroc
Hey Warlockl - you know I'm your old pal/squaddie and that I've flown around you since you were a total beginner.... Let me tell you why people are on your case:

These guys here are old veterans; and just about every one of them is actually very very skilled (some extremely so).  More importantly, they've been around - some (like Ack-Ack for instance) for many many years.

Regardless of what your skill level is, you have to respect them by default, and you have to climb a big hill to earn their respect in return.   It's just the way it is.  

Who is better than who doesn't really matter that much.  Think of it as seniority.

Remember that all the tips and tricks you learned (real quickly) from others (like Slot, Aveng, Getmo and myself), these guys learned the hard way.   Most of the "common sense" tactics used in the game today were pioneered by these guys in Airwarrior/old Warbirds/AH1.

Anyways, without going off on a tangent, one reason why you're getting lambasted here is because you're walking in - like a proverbial 1rst round draft pick in his rookie year on a Pro team, tossing your weight around with old veterans - like they're your equals.

 There is no way you'll be respected coming out of the blocks like that.

Put another way - you are the FNG - the F**king new guy - regardless of whether you're right or wrong, good or bad, the older established players won't respect you by default - you have to pay your dues before they'll even start taking you seriously.  That means keeping your head down for a few years, while slowly gaining skill and experience (which you are, but do not ever think you're at the top of the proverbial mountain, or even halfway there!).

Now, the second reason why you're being picked on is because you're a young 23/something with a lot of testosterone flowing - and when you reply, you reply from the heart on all cylinders - with anger.  That makes for a lot of long winded not-that-well-thought-out-overly-passionate-typo-get-laid-more ridden posts.  They make you come off a lot dumber and short-fused than you are.

Finally, you want them to respect your ability - and you're quick to expand the ole chest - and while you don't go and say "I'm AN ACE DAMMIT RESPECT ME", you're using subdued language like "Well I'm not the best but I'm still damn good and confident in my ability", which while not as bad as the former, it's still comes off as :

Massive Pudknockery

Anways, War - I'm not trying to dress you down or crush your self confidence - I know all about this stuff, because, back in 1993, I was that same 23 year old kid playing Airwarrior - and the old vets of that game rightly put me in my place and I learned what the deal was.  Guys like Rocketman DRILLED me as a matter of fact, and I respect them forever today because of it :-)

I will tell you this War : you're be best Newb I've ever seen (and I've been playing for upwards of 14 years).  You do very fine - but trust me - don't ever get into the habit of thinking you're a world beater - not now, not ever.   If you ever get to the level of the top guys in this game, it comes down to, like Skyrock said in another thread "On any given Sunday....".  You'll never be this guy who beats everyone, every time - so don't ever start acting like it, or thinking that "it's coming".

Incidentally, Skyrock, despite railing you pretty good on this forum, had begrudgingly said you're an ok midlevel player.  Given the circumstances (remember, you've only been playing for what ? 6-9 months ?), you should take that as a great compliment and stop pushing it.

So war don't feel like I'm ganging up against you because I'm not - I'm still the same exact friend/squaddie I've always been - just take this as heartfelt guidance from someone who was once in your same exact shoes some 14 years ago :-)

As for the rest of ya's : sorry for the rambling verbosity.

Shamroc

well i know this is long to quote but it is said perfect.

[WaRLoCkL]

Originally posted by The Fugitive
Warlock, in case you have forgotten, this thread started out by MWL ASKING for others opinions on how to fly. He was looking for answers to a question that was troubling him. Then you came in and started blasting people for telling him their suggestions on how to fly, which he ASKED  for.

Secondly, nobody is "harping" on you for being a cherry picker, or perch fighter, or opportunist. They are just pointing out what you yourself have admitted to, you use ALL advantages to "win the fight", but thats OK !!! Its the way  YOU  want to fly!!! thats all they are saying, fly the way you want, to have the fun you want.

Third, as for respect, you'll never get with the attitude you display here. I've flown a long time, and with some really good sticks in both AW and here, and the best of them don't walk around with the same bigass chip on their shoulder you do. Don't try so hard, and maybe people will start to come around.

I suggest u re read this thread from the beggining, what happend was someone told the ORIGNAL poster that he should turn in a hurricane with a p47 because RUNNING is not honerable.

My original post was, dont listen to him, if u arnt confident in turning around then dont, fight the way u want.

Now what part of my original thread does not co inside with the topic at hand???

Befor u claim I started bashing everyone first then read carfully, i simply stated it was not right for someone to TELL this guy he should do something stupid because it was honerable.

Once again reflecting back to my post on certain people not being able to accept opinions.

Shamroc u are probly right in the fact that these guys dont respect me bause of my age/time played/skill lvl.

Fact is none of that should really matter, because for 1, this is a game, 2, i worry about my home life more than my internet life, 3 the opinion of someone who thinks they are better than me simply because of skill/age/time played matters about as much to me as what toilet paper I wipe my butt with.

My point is I have a boss at work, with more experience than me at what I do and that is ok to have someone over u telling u what to do in the real life.

However in a online world, none of these guys are my boss nore are they better than me, nore are they the buddha that i will scrawl up 1000 steps to the temple they reside in for advice.

U are right shamroc, they wont respect me for WHAT I AM.

but who says I need to conform to what they want me to be or follow their Rules to walk up the ladder to success?

Once again this is a GAME, some of these guys I just talk back to listen to what they have to say next.

The sad thing is some of these guys worry about it so much they go to bed at night thinking about these posts and what people say, and what they can do to top out what the other guy said.

Its like I said befor, all this is is a big pissing contest, and these guys are just trying to see who can write their name in the snow better.

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Hey I dont doubt u on that one steve, thats a prefect example of a gang, but ask TC what he was doing out there all by himself in the first place, we had been flying around for 30 minutes without a con sighting, we were low on fuel and wont going back home empty handed.

you really do not want me to post the whole film , I do not think........

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
several months ago, which was when i was VERY NEWBISH,

I thought you was a long timer,  had flown flight sims since DOS days?

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
I actually thank u for posting this film, it put a smile on my face cause i can remember how hard we were lauphing at that poor little pony, and then the corsair that chased him down to steal the kill.

you must need glasses I engaged the 2 F4U's long before the 4 temps and the Niki came hauling A into the mix trying to "STEAL THE KILL" in which the Temp flown by a certian someone ended up being the big MINE winner......

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Im not going to start a argument with this film, because it really shows, that guys complaining about ganging and hoing and all of that mumbo jumbo really dont think about the important things in life.

and it does show that you don't think about the enjoyment of the game to others even for the 2 F4U friendlys 2 vs 1 fight,  you and the other 3 temps and niki so rudely encroached on...... you only thought about your gang horde mentality greed to be the first to get the kill.as if 2 or 3 was not enough, you go on to glorifiy that it is perfectly acceptable in the game to jump an enemy plane 7 or 8 to 1... this is what is ruining the AH game play........

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
That was my orignal post in this forum, it was to describe how u cant take all these people seriously and why i call them crybabys.

you call them crybabys yet you are crying yourself defending the way you fly is perfectly acceptable, and to keep bashing on about it just shows you are no different than any of the rest of us dolts that play this game  we all have opinions / comments / suggestions, I encourage you to study alot of what some have wrote here and learn from it....

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
I would apreciate that if u watch this film then do not make derogetory comments, if anything lauph about 4 guys who decided to up tempest and have a ball one night.

I  respect Slot, and had good fights with Slot, and good bantor, I hope you find your way to be like him , and wish you the best of luck, War!  you should not be so bitter, anger is not good for ones soul.....

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
After all its really all about having fun, and some people throw fun out the window and want to wine, piss, and moan, and that is how we end up with threads like this.

4 tempest  threw fun out the window when they ganged 2 F4U's vs the lone P51B



to Shamroc, no worries, its all good

and to add again ( just hit review and saw your post shamroc ), that is a very well written synopsis of the whole thing......

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser
you really do not want me to post the whole film , I do not think........

I thought you was a long timer,  had flown flight sims since DOS days?

you must need glasses I engaged the 2 F4U's long before the 4 temps and the Niki came hauling A into the mix trying to "STEAL THE KILL" in which the Temp flown by a certian someone ended up being the big MINE winner......
 and it does show that you don't think about the enjoyment of the game to others even for the 2 F4U friendlys 2 vs 1 fight,  you and the other 3 temps and niki so rudely encroached on...... you only thought about your gang horde mentality greed to be the first to get the kill.as if 2 or 3 was not enough, you go on to glorifiy that it is perfectly acceptable in the game to jump an enemy plane 7 or 8 to 1... this is what is ruining the AH game play........

you call them crybabys yet you are crying yourself defending the way you fly is perfectly acceptable, and to keep bashing on about it just shows you are no different than any of the rest of us dolts that play this game  we all have opinions / comments / suggestions, I encourage you to study alot of what some have wrote here and learn from it....

 I  respect Slot, and had good fights with Slot, and good bantor, I hope you find your way to be like him , and wish you the best of luck, War!  you should not be so bitter, anger is not good for ones soul.....

 
4 tempest  threw fun out the window when they ganged 2 F4U's vs the lone P51B



to Shamroc, no worries, its all good

and to add again ( just hit review and saw your post shamroc ), that is a very well written synopsis of the whole thing......

OWNT!:aok

[shamroc]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser
you really do not want me to post the whole film , I do not think........


to Shamroc, no worries, its all good

and to add again ( just hit review and saw your post shamroc ), that is a very well written synopsis of the whole thing......

TC

Shamroc

[B@tfinkV]

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
we had been flying around for 30 minutes without a con sighting, we were low on fuel and wont going back home empty handed.

 

what a load of bulllchit.....

watch the film again. all of the Typhoons in that clip have still got drop tanks on.

or do you wish to make us believe that you guys flew around for 30 minutes, in a perfect formation at 7000 ft in typhoons (rofl - typhoons at just 7k for 30 mins? i think not) You we clearly climbing out at the start of the clip, you had been flying for 3 minutes on WEP climb before you first appear in this clip.  All this and the whole flight of you had saved your drop tanks for the best part of that 30mins with no fuel in them?


the fact that you must flat out lie makes you a child in your courage and morals. a grown man would just say 'haha we ganged you good TC, huh?


how very transparent, and damn am i good.

[WaRLoCkL]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
what a load of bulllchit.....

watch the film again. all of the Typhoons in that clip have still got drop tanks on.

or do you wish to make us believe that you guys flew around for 30 minutes, in a perfect formation at 7000 ft in typhoons (rofl - typhoons at just 7k for 30 mins? i think not) You we clearly climbing out at the start of the clip, you had been flying for 3 minutes on WEP climb before you first appear in this clip.  All this and the whole flight of you had saved your drop tanks for the best part of that 30mins with no fuel in them?


the fact that you must flat out lie makes you a child in your courage and morals. a grown man would just say 'haha we ganged you good TC, huh?


how very transparent, and damn am i good.

First of all u have know way of knowing how much fuel we have. Second of all lets see how u flew after being in the game for 1 month.

Why dont u ask TC how old his vidio is befor u start your bashing again batfink.

Still on trying to contradict how someone flys I see. that was my point in the first place.

Also in Honor of slot, I would apreciate it if u wouldnt mention about how anyone flew in that vidio other than a group of guys having fun.

Does trying to cut someone down really make u guys feel better about who u are as a person? Is home life really that bad that u have to pretend to be a god in a game that has nothing to do with u making morgage payments?

When I listen to u guys prove your manhood on here in this game u remind me of THIS GUY!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBVmfIUR1DA

Taking the game to seriously may be hazerdous to your health as well as your computer

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser
I  respect Slot, and had good fights with Slot, and good bantor, I hope you find your way to be like him , and wish you the best of luck, War!  you should not be so bitter, anger is not good for ones soul.....
 

incase you did not see it the first time,  WaRLoCkL

noone brought  him in to this,  and I am glad to have a handful of films  with slot in them, as well as films of my fallen squadies

Buzzard, KGann, and films of Oz , 68KO and others........

don't go down that road .......

just let this overbeaten horse  go.........

[B@tfinkV]

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
LOUD NOISES  

from the start of this thread i was actualy taking your side against my long term friends here, out of pity for a display that i have seen before many times on this forum.
you throw it back in my face then im gunna pick out your foolish lies.

[WaRLoCkL]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser
you really do not want me to post the whole film , I do not think........

I thought you was a long timer,  had flown flight sims since DOS days?

you must need glasses I engaged the 2 F4U's long before the 4 temps and the Niki came hauling A into the mix trying to "STEAL THE KILL" in which the Temp flown by a certian someone ended up being the big MINE winner......
 and it does show that you don't think about the enjoyment of the game to others even for the 2 F4U friendlys 2 vs 1 fight,  you and the other 3 temps and niki so rudely encroached on...... you only thought about your gang horde mentality greed to be the first to get the kill.as if 2 or 3 was not enough, you go on to glorifiy that it is perfectly acceptable in the game to jump an enemy plane 7 or 8 to 1... this is what is ruining the AH game play........

you call them crybabys yet you are crying yourself defending the way you fly is perfectly acceptable, and to keep bashing on about it just shows you are no different than any of the rest of us dolts that play this game  we all have opinions / comments / suggestions, I encourage you to study alot of what some have wrote here and learn from it....

 I  respect Slot, and had good fights with Slot, and good bantor, I hope you find your way to be like him , and wish you the best of luck, War!  you should not be so bitter, anger is not good for ones soul.....

 
4 tempest  threw fun out the window when they ganged 2 F4U's vs the lone P51B



to Shamroc, no worries, its all good

and to add again ( just hit review and saw your post shamroc ), that is a very well written synopsis of the whole thing......

Wow dude listen to what u just said, Fun got threw out the window when u got ganged?

and i should think about the enjoyment if the game for others?? WOW that is the most hypocryital post I have ever seen.

BREAKING DOWN WHAT U JUST REALLY SAID.

Fun didnt go out the window, cause there were 7 guys that were having a BALL at that point, but I guess your FUN superseeds theirs right.

GOING BACK TO WHAT I ORIGINALLY TALKED ABOUT

SO TC to earn respect by u and others in here I need to be told how to have my FUN am I correct SIR??

U are probly right u wont having fun when u got ganged. but other people were. Your fun is not more important than theirs, nore is my fun more important than yours.

Lets see Me having FUN vs Tc's FUN (THINKING ON IT)

I CHOOSE ME!!!!!!!!

This is really what the whole problem is right here TC, thank for making it that much clearer on what the real problem in the MA is.

Please watch vidio on ANGRY GERMAN BOY.

U know if that happend to me i would have lauphed my but off.

[Ack-Ack]

it's about time you go to bed junior, you've already proven to us what kind of player you are.  There is no need to further reinforce our beliefs that you're an idiot.


ack-ack

[what'shisname?]

What you got is name callers wanting you to fight their fight their way.  Turn 200 off.  Don't reply.  Don't give them the satisfaction.  And don't give into them.

I do run, but only to get some distance to turn around.

Most guys in the game coming at me have 5 to one odds against me.  I don't fight that way and I will not stay just to die.  I find lots of circumstances where I can duel one on one, but not furballing.  The minute their numbers dwindle to one on one, who does the running?

The name callers in the game are the kids, under 40.  Over 40, we are just too tired to worry about it.

[WaRLoCkL]

Originally posted by what'shisname?
What you got is name callers wanting you to fight their fight their way.  Turn 200 off.  Don't reply.  Don't give them the satisfaction.  And don't give into them.

I do run, but only to get some distance to turn around.

Most guys in the game coming at me have 5 to one odds against me.  I don't fight that way and I will not stay just to die.  I find lots of circumstances where I can duel one on one, but not furballing.  The minute their numbers dwindle to one on one, who does the running?

The name callers in the game are the kids, under 40.  Over 40, we are just too tired to worry about it.

Least amount of Posts, yet makes the most sense, u guys can learn something from what he just said.

Fact is u are so uptight on what u think is right, and how my flying is OH so DISHONERABLE, i could talk this trail of bread crumbs out for 10 miles and u would still be trailing behind picking up the pieces.

If u don't like the way I fly then its probly because u fall victim to my guns.

I get respect from my country, thats all I need, they enjoy my missions, they enjoy my fighter sweeps and they like flying with me.

I think i know what that is called hmmm wait, let me think harder.

OH WAIT ITS CALLED FUN!!!!!!!!!!! try it sometime guys u might like it.

[WMLute]

There has really been some excellent posts in this thread.  (And of course many dumb ones)

War, I would ask that you try to impartially re-read them (the good ones).  Step out of y'erself for a bit, and try to see what these people are saying.

I think one of the best observations so far was from Shamroc when they said:

you reply from the heart on all cylinders - with anger. That makes for a lot of long winded not-that-well-thought-out-overly-passionate-typo-get-laid-more ridden posts. They make you come off a lot dumber and short-fused than you are.

Your last post a few above this one is a perfect example of what he was talkin' about.

(don't reply to me btw... just "think" about what I am trying to say here)

I got into a ch200 tiff the other day w/ a player.  We went back and forth for 'bout 15min.  I was quite enjoyin' myself, as I love to argue and trade insults w/ people.

Now, I could have kept it up all night, but instead, I apologized to the guy, 'em, and was done w/ it.  Were they a dweeb with a .3 k/d who flew around ho'n everybody?  Sure.  Is it worth it for me to go  on and on w/ 'em on 200 about it?  Nope.  I took the higher ground, and I regrett not doing it 15min earlier.

Might I suggest you try to do the same.  Just suck it up, everybody, and move on.  That's not to say you gota take it and can't dish it back if ya' wanna.  Just tone it down a notch.

Might I also suggest a bit more respect with some of the players.  Take AKAK for example.  I have the utmost of respect for AKAK.  (other players to include would be GE, NB, Max, heck too many to name)  Lot's of what we do in this game can be traced back to these "old timers".  We should respect those that paved the way for us.  

When they talk, listen.  Ya' don't have to agree w/ 'em, but for durn tootin' don't disrespect 'em and start arguin' w/ 'em.  They have earned a place in the "history" of this (and other WW2 flight sim) games.  That "means" something.  With these players (current and former) it's not really about who can kill who.  They are my "superior" merely because of all that they have done for the game that I love so much, and I always strive to give them the respect they deserve.

Yes our friends, family, and loved ones think we are just playing "airplane" and it's a stupid online game, but to us we are all noble knights of the skies.

[gpwurzel]

And that there Warlock (who, for the record, I've flown with and against)...is some of the best advice in this thread. I've teased Lute (very mildly - and in return fallen for a beautifully presented rope...doh!!) and he's most definitely not having a dig fella.

Personally, I everyone who shoots me down, whether by luck (unlikely) or skill (most likely) and enjoy flying here with absolutely everyone - and I mean everyone.

just my 2p's worth (out of cents as I live in England).

to all in AH (and if you could all stop shooting me down every 10 seconds.....I'll thank ya all roundly...lol)