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[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by llama
Ack,



Though winning the war isn't *my* goal when I fly in the main arena (see below), I recognize that it is probably everybody else's goal,

Not mine.  I could care less.  In fact, I fly on the "losing"(read lowest numbers) almost exclusively.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Do the math, 24-10+14 i played up till 16, after that i stayed out of the loop in online flight sims fore a while.

When did I ever say I was good back then also?? I just said I have been playing for a long time.

Originally posted by Warlockl
Fact is I may be new blood but NONE of u know my background, I have been playing Flight sims since DOS, and was frequently in the top ranks in air warrior 1 and 3.

Originally posted by Warlockl
all i know is it was a BOMBER squadron and thats what i did primarily, and our squad was always number one in the rankings, and myself and most the other players in squad held the top 10 spots in bombing

Just like you don't gang? hehe

Originally posted by Warlockl
Funny thing is when i mentioned DOS flight sims, half of u thought i was talking about a squadron, so i guess maybe the length of time u have been playing could be brought into question.

When someone mentions to prove their bona fides and claims they've been playing since DOS days, the player is trying to allude to the fact they played DOS AW.  None of us thought you were talking about a squadron, we just wanted to know if you were referring to DOS AW.

Since I've been flying with a quite of few people in here for over 12+years through various online sims (AW, WB and AH), you can hardly question the how long I've been playing.

ack-ack

[llama]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
Not mine.  I could care less.  In fact, I fly on the "losing"(read lowest numbers) almost exclusively.

Actually, until I joined the Hells Angels earlier this year, that's all I ever did for two years after the Rogue Gryffons departed the AH scene. I got lots of perkies and made lots of new friends from former targets.

Actually, I wish everyone would do this. In fact, I kind of wish HiTech made a rule that all new pilots *had* to fly for all three countries for at least two weeks each before they could accept a squad invitation...

-Llama

[shamroc]

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL

After all its really all about having fun, and some people throw fun out the window and want to wine, piss, and moan, and that is how we end up with threads like this.

Slot would have said "Clubbed 'em like a baby seal", and laughter would have ensued - followed by "man poor bastard... I feel for the guy cuz we've all been there... never stood a chance...".

Slot saw the MA for what it was - and NO, he would NOT have done that in the DA or AvA.   He also wouldn't cry and moan on 200 if the same was done to him.

Again, the MA is what it is - and if you don't roll that way (I tend not to), PLEASE go to the DA/AvA (Where I go every night and find an empty arena) rather than constantly moan about how HTC needs to make "this" or "that" tweak to force everyone in the MA to fly the way you want them to.

Also - Steve & Skyrock: I have no gripe with your squad - as a matter of fact I've spent a few evenings dueling with maha in said DA & AvA recently and have always enjoyed it (he's a great sportsman and great stick - better than I am).

Shamroc

[WaRLoCkL]

The post about what the MAIN ARENA is all about, is pretty much my whole point on how its not right to TELL someone how they should fly.

The Few SEASONED Vets, do not have rank status, nore do they control the MA environment, maybe the rest of us dont know what it was like BACK IN THE DAY. Howerver we do know what it is like now.

SHAMROC and Llama said it best. Those of u who are complaining about the GANGING, Vulching, Hoing, still come into the MA every single day, to do the exact same thing.

Someone also made a point on the remark that the VETS keep comming to bash on the newbies, well thats not saying a whole lot about u wanting to hve proper ediquett.

Also a newb pilot, does not know how to FLY, so he will ram u, ho u, because he is pretty much trying to point and shoot.


The Entire problem is people that think there is etiquette in this game.

Take note of the GAME PART!!! It is a game, the only etiquette that should be practiced is RESPECT.  If u ever talk to a REAL PILOT, they will ultimetly tell u, if u get shot down its knowones fault but your own. That holds true in this game a well.

Once again everyone flys differently, and thats what I like.

and for those of u who still wish to complain about me being a GANG tard, just note in that vidio I had been playing for a total of 1 Month, That vidio is almost a year old. I was very quit newbish.

On a side note, that was the best fun I ever had in AH flying with those gents. SLOT GETMO and FEARLES1   they taught me how to fly, and if they came back tomorrow and said lets do it again I WOULD!!! And then listen to whoever we shot down wright a BOOK on it on 200

[shamroc]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
Sorry Sham, you quoted my post so I thought you  were speaking directly to me.  Thanks for clearing it up for me.

No harm no foul Steve

Shamroc

[WaRLoCkL]

Originally posted by shamroc
Slot would have said "Clubbed 'em like a baby seal", and laughter would have ensued - followed by "man poor bastard... I feel for the guy cuz we've all been there... never stood a chance...".

Slot saw the MA for what it was - and NO, he would NOT have done that in the DA or AvA.   He also wouldn't cry and moan on 200 if the same was done to him.

Again, the MA is what it is - and if you don't roll that way (I tend not to), PLEASE go to the DA/AvA (Where I go every night and find an empty arena) rather than constantly moan about how HTC needs to make "this" or "that" tweak to force everyone in the MA to fly the way you want them to.

Also - Steve & Skyrock: I have no gripe with your squad - as a matter of fact I've spent a few evenings dueling with maha in said DA & AvA recently and have always enjoyed it (he's a great sportsman and great stick - better than I am).

Shamroc

U dang right Shamroc, thats what we use to do is go seal huntin;) Man those were the days bro, I miss u in the MA now myself, but I to understand why u dont show up there alot. I would gladly be in AvA every single night if people would go there, heck the day all the servers went down and all that was left was AvA was awsome.

But the sad truth is, even if all the PROS went there, there would still be banter about getting ganged, hoed and vulched.

and I dont have a problem with the muppets, they have a problem with ME.

When u have to stoop so low as to call someones postion out on 200 to start hunting them, then apparenty I have gotten under your skin pretty bad.

Thats unfortunet, I have never discredited u as not being good sticks, but u always seem to take pride in trying to discredit others, so that u may remain the ACEs of Aces HIGH.

Funny thing is I never see any of these guys participate in KOTH other than batfinkV and WMlute.

If u are so bent on showing yours kill in a controlled envornment then i suggest going to KOTH its one of my favorite events, and unfortunetly held only once a month.

Also incase anyone hasnt noticed shamroc use to be a mafia member himself, and still a fellow squad member. out of every pilot in this game I respect SHAMROC and AVENG more than anyone in this game.

Shamroc may be my squaddie, but he has not once tried to stick up for me in this thread, nore has he talked about anyone in here he simply posted his opinion. But like always the FEW ELITE VETERANS chimed in with defensive remarks and started the ganging process.

I rather be a ganger in the MA any day over being a GANGER on a meaningless thread.

[shamroc]

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL

SHAMROC and Llama said it best. Those of u who are complaining about the GANGING, Vulching, Hoing, still come into the MA every single day, to do the exact same thing.

Well, my point ultimately is I'd like to see a good 50 (or more) people in the DA/AvA at all times - so we'd always have a place to go for GOOD CLEAN FUN fights with great camaraderie and sportsmanship (not to mention a fantastic place to get better and learn from others).

I'd also likewise like to see the MA full of people who accept it for what it is - a place to sling mud, piss off the other guy, play the "win the war game" and get dirty, but everyone is laughing about it at the end of the day.

In short, I'd like to see everyone happy, having a good time - with minimal whining.

Shamroc

[WaRLoCkL]

Originally posted by shamroc
Well, my point ultimately is I'd like to see a good 50 (or more) people in the DA/AvA at all times - so we'd always have a place to go for GOOD CLEAN FUN fights with great camaraderie and sportsmanship (not to mention a fantastic place to get better and learn from others).

I'd also likewise like to see the MA full of people who accept it for what it is - a place to sling mud, piss off the other guy, play the "win the war game" and get dirty, but everyone is laughing about it at the end of the day.

In short, I'd like to see everyone happy, having a good time - with minimal whining.

Shamroc

U and me both brother

a certain someone in here that has bashed me the most once TOLD me in the DA, that everytime he is so good, that everytime he gets shot down, he has to listen to people in 200 and pm talking about how they OWNED him.

Fact is if this person did not like how he was treated then why is he one of the main ones to do it himself and treat people like they are beneath him.

Fact is most people seem to be happy when they are flying around killing people, no matter how they do it.

The problem seems to be ony when they get shot down.

I would like to see more complaining about how u Kill someone myself:aok

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Fact is if this person did not like how he was treated then why is he one of the main ones to do it himself and treat people like they are beneath him.

That is the $64,000 question.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by llama
Ack,

He didn't say the main goal of Aces High was winning the war. He said the main goal in the Main Arena is to win the war. And I don't necessarily disagree with that.
 

I hate to say this but the MA is AH, just like the other arenas are all part of AH.  HiTech has said it many times before, the main intent of the game is aerial combat.  Base captures, strat targets, ground vehicles, carrier fleets were all added to facilitate aerial combat.  It has never been about "winning the war" regardless of what arena you fly in.  

If it's a personal goal of yours or someone else, fine.  Like Guppy said a lot earlier in this thread, if that's what makes the game fun for you than all the power to you.  

ack-ack

[SkyRock]

I wonder if GanglockL will post again?  

[Ack-Ack]

This thread should be saved for the only fact that Hub and I actually agree with Skyrock.  Someone better call the Weather Channel to see if Hell has frozen over.


ack-ack

[shamroc]

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
and I dont have a problem with the muppets, they have a problem with ME.

Shamroc may be my squaddie, but he has not once tried to stick up for me in this thread, nore has he talked about anyone in here he simply posted his opinion. But like always the FEW ELITE VETERANS chimed in with defensive remarks and started the ganging process.

Hey Warlockl - you know I'm your old pal/squaddie and that I've flown around you since you were a total beginner.... Let me tell you why people are on your case:

These guys here are old veterans; and just about every one of them is actually very very skilled (some extremely so).  More importantly, they've been around - some (like Ack-Ack for instance) for many many years.

Regardless of what your skill level is, you have to respect them by default, and you have to climb a big hill to earn their respect in return.   It's just the way it is.  

Who is better than who doesn't really matter that much.  Think of it as seniority.

Remember that all the tips and tricks you learned (real quickly) from others (like Slot, Aveng, Getmo and myself), these guys learned the hard way.   Most of the "common sense" tactics used in the game today were pioneered by these guys in Airwarrior/old Warbirds/AH1.

Anyways, without going off on a tangent, one reason why you're getting lambasted here is because you're walking in - like a proverbial 1rst round draft pick in his rookie year on a Pro team, tossing your weight around with old veterans - like they're your equals.

 There is no way you'll be respected coming out of the blocks like that.

Put another way - you are the FNG - the F**king new guy - regardless of whether you're right or wrong, good or bad, the older established players won't respect you by default - you have to pay your dues before they'll even start taking you seriously.  That means keeping your head down for a few years, while slowly gaining skill and experience (which you are, but do not ever think you're at the top of the proverbial mountain, or even halfway there!).

Now, the second reason why you're being picked on is because you're a young 23/something with a lot of testosterone flowing - and when you reply, you reply from the heart on all cylinders - with anger.  That makes for a lot of long winded not-that-well-thought-out-overly-passionate-typo-get-laid-more ridden posts.  They make you come off a lot dumber and short-fused than you are.

Finally, you want them to respect your ability - and you're quick to expand the ole chest - and while you don't go and say "I'm AN ACE DAMMIT RESPECT ME", you're using subdued language like "Well I'm not the best but I'm still damn good and confident in my ability", which while not as bad as the former, it's still comes off as :

Massive Pudknockery

Anways, War - I'm not trying to dress you down or crush your self confidence - I know all about this stuff, because, back in 1993, I was that same 23 year old kid playing Airwarrior - and the old vets of that game rightly put me in my place and I learned what the deal was.  Guys like Rocketman DRILLED me as a matter of fact, and I respect them forever today because of it :-)

I will tell you this War : you're be best Newb I've ever seen (and I've been playing for upwards of 14 years).  You do very fine - but trust me - don't ever get into the habit of thinking you're a world beater - not now, not ever.   If you ever get to the level of the top guys in this game, it comes down to, like Skyrock said in another thread "On any given Sunday....".  You'll never be this guy who beats everyone, every time - so don't ever start acting like it, or thinking that "it's coming".

Incidentally, Skyrock, despite railing you pretty good on this forum, had begrudgingly said you're an ok midlevel player.  Given the circumstances (remember, you've only been playing for what ? 6-9 months ?), you should take that as a great compliment and stop pushing it.

So war don't feel like I'm ganging up against you because I'm not - I'm still the same exact friend/squaddie I've always been - just take this as heartfelt guidance from someone who was once in your same exact shoes some 14 years ago :-)

As for the rest of ya's : sorry for the rambling verbosity.

Shamroc

[The Fugitive]

Originally posted by MWL
Greetings,

  Okay, I got a question.  I normally fly the 47N.  I can scissor (can't spel tho) with a spit, pony or LA.  However, I can't scissor (spill again) with a Hurri or F4U.

  So, I dive in and the F4U/Hurri dodges and we get into the scisor (dang spil chek thing!) and I realize I am losing this engagement.

  Should I run and risk being called a 'rundweeb'?  Should I continue to scissor till I be dead?  What is an honorable person to do here?

okay so I should a waited till I was less toasty.....





Regards,

Warlock, in case you have forgotten, this thread started out by MWL ASKING for others opinions on how to fly. He was looking for answers to a question that was troubling him. Then you came in and started blasting people for telling him their suggestions on how to fly, which he ASKED  for.

Secondly, nobody is "harping" on you for being a cherry picker, or perch fighter, or opportunist. They are just pointing out what you yourself have admitted to, you use ALL advantages to "win the fight", but thats OK !!! Its the way  YOU  want to fly!!! thats all they are saying, fly the way you want, to have the fun you want.

Third, as for respect, you'll never get with the attitude you display here. I've flown a long time, and with some really good sticks in both AW and here, and the best of them don't walk around with the same bigass chip on their shoulder you do. Don't try so hard, and maybe people will start to come around.