Running

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Wow dude listen to what u just said, Fun got threw out the window when u got ganged?

and i should think about the enjoyment if the game for others?? WOW that is the most hypocryital post I have ever seen.

BREAKING DOWN WHAT U JUST REALLY SAID.

Fun didnt go out the window, cause there were 7 guys that were having a BALL at that point, but I guess your FUN superseeds theirs right.



Lets see Me having FUN vs Tc's FUN (THINKING ON IT)

I CHOOSE ME!!!!!!!!

This is really what the whole problem is right here TC, thank for making it that much clearer on what the real problem in the MA is.
 

take TC out of your thinking, just for a second, pretend that the P51B was being flown by any ole person/player.........

now think of the fun factor for the 2 F4U pilots that had engaged the 1 P51B........whose fun got ruined........?

yep you CHOSE YOU alright.......that is a definite.......

I am not a SIR either,  I was enlisted ..........but I appreciate the respecting of your elders, that is a nice start.......

warlockl, forget about your idea of fun, forget about my idea of fun for a minute and think of it as what is good for the community as a whole........

you can not tell me if you was in a fight with 1 or 2 wingys fighting a lone enemy plane and had say 3/4/5 other friendlys just pounce right in on the fight  and take out the lone enemy plane you had fought angles with a bit, would not destroy and ounce of fun you might have been having.......

anyhow,  I have nothing more to add,  hopefully the longer you play the game, warlockl, the more you will come to understand  if you  end up playing for many a year...... there are lessons in life and in this game far beyond the basic BFM/ACM/cartoon plane killing that goes on......

if you ever want to work on  or practice anything , I be glad to try and help ya ~S~

[WaRLoCkL]

Originally posted by WMLute
There has really been some excellent posts in this thread.  (And of course many dumb ones)

War, I would ask that you try to impartially re-read them (the good ones).  Step out of y'erself for a bit, and try to see what these people are saying.

I think one of the best observations so far was from Shamroc when they said:

Your last post a few above this one is a perfect example of what he was talkin' about.

(don't reply to me btw... just "think" about what I am trying to say here)

I got into a ch200 tiff the other day w/ a player.  We went back and forth for 'bout 15min.  I was quite enjoyin' myself, as I love to argue and trade insults w/ people.

Now, I could have kept it up all night, but instead, I apologized to the guy, 'em, and was done w/ it.  Were they a dweeb with a .3 k/d who flew around ho'n everybody?  Sure.  Is it worth it for me to go  on and on w/ 'em on 200 about it?  Nope.  I took the higher ground, and I regrett not doing it 15min earlier.

Might I suggest you try to do the same.  Just suck it up, everybody, and move on.  That's not to say you gota take it and can't dish it back if ya' wanna.  Just tone it down a notch.

Might I also suggest a bit more respect with some of the players.  Take AKAK for example.  I have the utmost of respect for AKAK.  (other players to include would be GE, NB, Max, heck too many to name)  Lot's of what we do in this game can be traced back to these "old timers".  We should respect those that paved the way for us.  

When they talk, listen.  Ya' don't have to agree w/ 'em, but for durn tootin' don't disrespect 'em and start arguin' w/ 'em.  They have earned a place in the "history" of this (and other WW2 flight sim) games.  That "means" something.  With these players (current and former) it's not really about who can kill who.  They are my "superior" merely because of all that they have done for the game that I love so much, and I always strive to give them the respect they deserve.

Yes our friends, family, and loved ones think we are just playing "airplane" and it's a stupid online game, but to us we are all noble knights of the skies.

Respect givin, when respect Received.

My post really do not have to be long and thought out, if this was a rocket science forum, then yes i would talk like i have a masters in jet propulsion.

However this is a GAME FORUM nothing more, and maybe u havent thought of me enjoying some of the rediculouse comments i get back myself.

As far as AK-AK goes, it proves my theory that even the most well repsected long timers in the game can get caught up in this kiddi stuff.

What happend was AK-AK, batfink, and ALOT of others came into this post that had nothing to do with them, and CHOSE a side, they did not give GOOD ADVICE, they chose to pick a side and try to continue to discredit me.

Befor u think im directing any of this to u WMlute know that im merly disagreeing with the GIVE RESPECT TO THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE OLD TIMERS RULE. When I see these so called respectable men start to say things like,

NICE TRY MAN

LET ME SHOW U WHAT U DID WRONG.

ITS ACTUALLY BETTER TO NOT GO HEAD ON LET ME SHOW U SOMETHING THAT MIGHT WORK BETTER

GOOD KILL THATS WHAT I GET FOR BEING LOW AND SLOW AND ON MY OWN

NICE FLYING BRO

NICE SHOT, I SHOULDA BEEN SMART AND TURNED OUT OF THAT HO

then these guys may earn some respect from me, because i will definetly not give it to people who say things like

NICE SHOT HO TARD!!!! LEARN SOME ACMS NEWB!!!!

NICE KILL GANGTARD!!! YOUR NUTHING WITHOUT YOUR HORDE!!!

ALT MONKEY, U COULDNT KILL ME ON YOUR BEST DAY IN  FAIR DUEL

I OWN U AND U WILL NEVER BE AT MY LVL.

my point is ive heard all these derogitoy things and when i first started I to would say these things to people.

thats 2 completly diffrent ways to aproach the same situations, i choose the top half, i offer to help anyone out when i can. i do not degrade him unless they give me a reason to.

I havent been HOED in 2 months simply because i turn out of them and use their HO to my advantage. However I wont deny when the occasion as called for it then i WILL HO myself especally if I know ther is no chance to turn out of it, im definetly not going to be the last one to fire.

I dont doubt that u cant LEARN A THING OR 2 FROM THE OLD TIMERS

but they could LEARN A THING OR 2 from some of the newer generation as well.  

Times do change, and who is to say ACES High hasnt changed over the years.

[shamroc]

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL


Once again this is a GAME, some of these guys I just talk back to listen to what they have to say next.

The sad thing is some of these guys worry about it so much they go to bed at night thinking about these posts and what people say, and what they can do to top out what the other guy said.

Its like I said befor, all this is is a big pissing contest, and these guys are just trying to see who can write their name in the snow better.

Hey Warlockl - if you don't care what they think, that's ok...  seriously it is.  But, if you really don't care, I would tend to think you'd tune off 200, ignore in-game PM's, and of course never read or post stuff here.

Regardless, no, you don't have to respect anyone here - fair game...  

... I do however respect people here... how can I put this into words...

Well, for one I see Airwarrior (DOS/WIN), Warbirds (95-00) and AH (2001-present) as all the same game.  Why ?  Because it's all the same players  - and it goes all the way back to the late 80s.

This "game" (as defined above) was not only the first SVGA game ever made, it was also the world's first massive multiplayer game - one where guys (like me) loved the game so much they used to pay ridiculous sums of money hourly to play - a game that had an established community before the web even existed - before the mainstream internet even existed.

Other games have come and gone - most never lasting more than a year or two, yet this "game" endures.

Today, if you look at games like "Quake", "Battlefield 2" etc - you'll find it's largely just a bunch of obnoxious kids forming little clans that just ****alk each other with l33tspeak - nobody even knows anyone else on a personal level - and once the game-du-jour goes obsolete, these little communities fracture apart and fade away.

In contrast, this "game" is largely an older crowd - I'd say that most guys here are over 35 - I've known countless guys over 50 and 60 - and the same player base has existed throughout - there's guys who play here that I've known 10+ years - like it's common.  You also have a lot of old Airwarrior players who despite not having played for many years, still read these forums to keep in touch with old friends.

Another example why "this community" is special: back in 99 I was playing Warbirds, and one of our squaddies died - you know what happened ?  a bunch of guys from the squad flew from across the country for his funeral, and his family asked that his squad acted as his pallbearers.

There's an old saying "If you want to know who really cares about you in your life, see who shows up at your funeral".

Anyways war, what I'm saying is the community here is a lot more than what you'll find anywhere else - and it's almost like an old fraternity.  

For the above reasons (and so many others), I think it deserves respect, but you're free to feel how you want about it - and I won't think any different of you bro.

(and sorry if this is sappy bullchit, but it is how I feel)

Anyways war, it's all long past beating a dead horse and I'm choosing to stop clubbing it.

Shamroc

[WaRLoCkL]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser
take TC out of your thinking, just for a second, pretend that the P51B was being flown by any ole person/player.........

now think of the fun factor for the 2 F4U pilots that had engaged the 1 P51B........whose fun got ruined........?

yep you CHOSE YOU alright.......that is a definite.......

I am not a SIR either,  I was enlisted ..........but I appreciate the respecting of your elders, that is a nice start.......

warlockl, forget about your idea of fun, forget about my idea of fun for a minute and think of it as what is good for the community as a whole........

you can not tell me if you was in a fight with 1 or 2 wingys fighting a lone enemy plane and had say 3/4/5 other friendlys just pounce right in on the fight  and take out the lone enemy plane you had fought angles with a bit, would not destroy and ounce of fun you might have been having.......

anyhow,  I have nothing more to add,  hopefully the longer you play the game, warlockl, the more you will come to understand  if you  end up playing for many a year...... there are lessons in life and in this game far beyond the basic BFM/ACM/cartoon plane killing that goes on......

if you ever want to work on  or practice anything , I be glad to try and help ya ~S~

Well there is 2 sides to every story, stop to think for a minute.

WE ASKED those 2 corsair pilots if we could engage, and they said go for it, maybe its just our country, but that question gets asked ALOT on our side, we practice teamwork very well.

U can never please everyone however no matter what u do in this game.

Say we stayed out of it and then all the sudden U kill one of them and the other is creaming his lungs out over vox wanting to know why we didnt help him. It could of happend that way

U are only stating your opinion on what ACTUALLY HAPPEND. but u do not take in the variables of what COULD HAVE HAPPEND.

Just so u know all 7 of us got a kick out of it, I dont think anyone has objections to running down a p51.

Once again u were the only one not having fun cause things didnt turn out ur way.
Once again, watch vidio on ANGRY GERMAN KID!!!

you are still only thinking of yourself and how the situation ended for u, and thats what most people think.

Another scenario would have been that u ended up getting away, then im sure u would have been exited and had alot of fun, but unfortunetly u died.

[WMLute]

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Respect givin, when respect Received.

ahhh... this is where you and I disagree.

They earned their respect years and years ago.

Whereas you, and this isn't a dig in any way, have not.

Bear in mind, they have seen players like you (or me) a hundred times over.  We are neither new, unique, or special.  

(tho' people call me "special" all the time,  but I don't think they mean it in a nice way)

(edit: nice post a few up Shamroc.  I wonder if all those Halo 3 and Quake players realise that they owe their online gamin' to us WW2 flight sim nerds)

[WaRLoCkL]

Originally posted by shamroc
Hey Warlockl - if you don't care what they think, that's ok...  seriously it is.  But, if you really don't care, I would tend to think you'd tune off 200, ignore in-game PM's, and of course never read or post stuff here.

Regardless, no, you don't have to respect anyone here - fair game...  

... I do however respect people here... how can I put this into words...

Well, for one I see Airwarrior (DOS/WIN), Warbirds (95-00) and AH (2001-present) as all the same game.  Why ?  Because it's all the same players  - and it goes all the way back to the late 80s.

This "game" (as defined above) was not only the first SVGA game ever made, it was also the world's first massive multiplayer game - one where guys (like me) loved the game so much they used to pay ridiculous sums of money hourly to play - a game that had an established community before the web even existed - before the mainstream internet even existed.

Other games have come and gone - most never lasting more than a year or two, yet this "game" endures.

Today, if you look at games like "Quake", "Battlefield 2" etc - you'll find it's largely just a bunch of obnoxious kids forming little clans that just ****alk each other with l33tspeak - nobody even knows anyone else on a personal level - and once the game-du-jour goes obsolete, these little communities fracture apart and fade away.

In contrast, this "game" is largely an older crowd - I'd say that most guys here are over 35 - I've known countless guys over 50 and 60 - and the same player base has existed throughout - there's guys who play here that I've known 10+ years - like it's common.  You also have a lot of old Airwarrior players who despite not having played for many years, still read these forums to keep in touch with old friends.

Another example why "this community" is special: back in 99 I was playing Warbirds, and one of our squaddies died - you know what happened ?  a bunch of guys from the squad flew from across the country for his funeral, and his family asked that his squad acted as his pallbearers.

There's an old saying "If you want to know who really cares about you in your life, see who shows up at your funeral".

Anyways war, what I'm saying is the community here is a lot more than what you'll find anywhere else - and it's almost like an old fraternity.  

For the above reasons (and so many others), I think it deserves respect, but you're free to feel how you want about it - and I won't think any different of you bro.

(and sorry if this is sappy bullchit, but it is how I feel)

Anyways war, it's all long past beating a dead horse and I'm choosing to stop clubbing it.

Shamroc

U are right SHAMROC, and I do have respect for the ones i think deserve it, u know me better than these guys do and u know me for what I am thats why I respect u and Im sure u respect me.

I have played air sims for a long time, howerver I have never been into the forum thing. To be honest with u my very first post in here was bashed for the simple reason i was a newb.

I wasnt welcomed with open armes, or offered help in any way. I was simply told u was inferior.

Maybe if some of these guys think about how they approach people and treat people then they well get the respect they are entitled to.

I am a person just like them, and my respect should be no less valuble than their repsect of me.

But u make a good point brother. I really dont care what they think, i guess i havent detuned them yet because maybe i thought they would make some sense out of what they are saying, but i guess some of these guys truly balive u must fly by the rules that they balive to be the proper etiquette.

So this will be my last post in here, the only reason i even came back was because i saw the film with SLOT in it and what looked to be the start of a bashing on u shamroc, so I focused it back on me.

Even though TC disagrees i still thank him for that film of slot, and heck i would like to have more since we are going to try to work on a memorial website.

INFACT SPEAKING OF THAT. I would really like for someone who knows there HTML who is interested to maybe help in starting a website just for the FALLEN HEROS of aces high. I know there are alot of people that have played this game that are no longer with us. It would be cool to have a sight that is truly didicated to just them.

to all those out there who balive in helping the fellow man than cutting him down, thats all i really have to say.

See u in the MA

[MWL]

Oh, Skuzzy, please lock this thread..... it has grown into a monster.......

Regards,

[SAS_KID]

Wheres that picture of a guy beating a dead horse?

[hubsonfire]

And this, Mole, is why you may as well stick around and fight it out every once in a while. No one gets hurt, until someone runs away from every fight, and gets hits with a few dozen handbags.

[SkyRock]

I own WarlockL!   Sorry!:(

[E25280]

Originally posted by SkyRock
I own WarlockL!   Sorry!:(

I'd try to get my money back, if I were you.

[shamroc]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser

if you ever want to work on  or practice anything , I be glad to try and help ya ~S~

War - see the above and re-read three times : we all saw the film how he got jumped - and yet, when the dust settles, and it's all said and done: he's putting out the olive branch, offering to help, and throwing you a

As a guy who showed you, and other who showed you, some of the early ropes of this game you now know - don't look past this example, and learn from it.

Shamroc

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by shamroc
War - see the above and re-read three times : we all saw the film how he got jumped - and yet, when the dust settles, and it's all said and done: he's putting out the olive branch, offering to help, and throwing you a

As a guy who showed you, and other who showed you, some of the early ropes of this game you now know - don't look past this example, and learn from it.

Shamroc

I left this thread on page 4 and the last thing I said was:

"My point from the beginning is folks should fly the way they want to and not worry about what someone else thinks. There is no right way. The key to the AH kingdom is whether you are having fun or not.

That is ALL that matters. The sooner folks realize that, the better off we'll all be."


For whatever reason I'm not sure he's gonna get that part, or is determined to prove something, although I'm not sure what.

Lots of good folks trying to get that basic point across without much success I'm afraid Shamroc

[Urchin]

I can't be the only person who sees shades of themselves in Warlock.  

Heck, I even started playing at almost the same age, and I was just as determined that people would "RESPECT MAHHH!!!!"

Warlock, I've never fought you, so feel free to take this with a grain of salt.  You are right in one respect - to earn the "respect" of most of these guys you will have to fly differently.  Flying in a very safe manner; high, in a fast plane with plenty of backup and "bait" to attract enemy attention so you can zip in and blindside them.  Whether or not you ever choose to change really depends on you, not them.  

Most everyone starts out flying the way you do.  Honestly.  Everyone who calls you a "gangtard", or whatever .... started out doing the exact same thing.  I don't remember my first kill, but I do remember the first time I cherrypicked a good stick.  Course, I've forgotten who it was...  

For a lot of people, myself included, that got extremely boring after a year or so.    I mean, sure, you may have a good fighter rank (or not, depending on how good you are at picking off unaware planes), but when running away and stickstirring is your only defense when things go bad, you tend to want something more.  At least, some do.  

For some people, that method of flying never gets old.  And thats ok too.  There is only one way to earn the respect of the "top sticks" though (or at least some of them, very few are respected by everyone), and that way of flying isn't it.  

I think on some level you really DO care what people here think about you, and that is the problem.  If you didn't, you wouldn't be responding.  If you didn't, you wouldn't have channel 200 tuned (I don't).  If you didn't, the only interaction you'd have with the guy you just shot down would be a .s xxxxx, and even then only if he did it first.

I hope you work it out though.  You've got some folks that think you have some talent, but trying to get people to like you is a good way to quick burnout.

[The Fugitive]

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
I suggest u re read this thread from the beggining, what happend was someone told the ORIGNAL poster that he should turn in a hurricane with a p47 because RUNNING is not honerable.

....I have read it from the beginning, and that is the point of this thread!!! The original poster ASKED for opinions, so one guy said "don't run, it isn't honorable" just because you disagree with his opinion doesn't mean you should come in here and blast him. Give your opinion of what you would do and let the original poster decide what he wants to do.

My original post was, dont listen to him, if u arnt confident in turning around then dont, fight the way u want.

Now what part of my original thread does not co inside with the topic at hand???

no, your original post started out by calling to other poster an "retard" for posting what he did. While you may not agree with what someone else post, calling them an "retard" for there opinions shows a real lack of class.

Befor u claim I started bashing everyone first then read carfully, i simply stated it was not right for someone to TELL this guy he should do something stupid because it was honerable.

QUOTE]Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Dont listen to this retard, hes one of the ones that wants to fight HIS fight they they were talking about. The whole point to winning a dogfight is to control the fight and make him do what u want him to do. So of coarse people are going to get ill when u wont do what they want u to do and then die.

That is where vulch tard, hoer, and runner all come into play, Fact is it is a 3d world and anything can happen.

Fight your own fight, remember dead men really cant talk back anyways;)

.... this is your original post, please note the underlined.[/color]

Once again reflecting back to my post on certain people not being able to accept opinions.

it seems YOUR the one who has a problem with others opinions.

Shamroc u are probly right in the fact that these guys dont respect me bause of my age/time played/skill lvl.

Fact is none of that should really matter, because for 1, this is a game, 2, i worry about my home life more than my internet life, 3 the opinion of someone who thinks they are better than me simply because of skill/age/time played matters about as much to me as what toilet paper I wipe my butt with.

My point is I have a boss at work, with more experience than me at what I do and that is ok to have someone over u telling u what to do in the real life.

However in a online world, none of these guys are my boss nore are they better than me, nore are they the buddha that i will scrawl up 1000 steps to the temple they reside in for advice.

U are right shamroc, they wont respect me for WHAT I AM.

but who says I need to conform to what they want me to be or follow their Rules to walk up the ladder to success?

Once again this is a GAME, some of these guys I just talk back to listen to what they have to say next.

The sad thing is some of these guys worry about it so much they go to bed at night thinking about these posts and what people say, and what they can do to top out what the other guy said.

Its like I said befor, all this is is a big pissing contest, and these guys are just trying to see who can write their name in the snow better.

I think, and this is completely MY OPINION I think they don't respect you because of your "chest thumping  " attitude. Most of these guys have been in your place (like Urchin said) but have grown past that.  Like I said before, stop tooting your own horn, stop irritating people, and give them a chance to get to know you. Nobody is going to get to know the "real you" if all you ever show them is this loud mouth braggart .[/B][/QUOTE]