Is Your 11 Year Old On Birth Control?

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by Eagler
it would be called a convent

...and she would probably run away and end up pregnant somewhere.

Kids having babies is a deeper issue than just pretending that kids aren't having sex.
The good thing is that it is still just in the minority.
Those being sexually active that young usually have psychological issues starting in her home. Abused one way or another.
Those kids growing up with supportive (not abusive) parents will usually not feel a need/desire to get sexually active that early. They aren't measuring their self worth based on sexuality.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by Eagler
Yes, make them as efficient as the average private school. Remove the bloated admin/political layers which waste the money that should go to the student.

The public school system is at the heart of this country's problem. If you don't see that, you must not have any kids that are in it or have gone through it. I have two. I have seen it first hand. You?

There are still good public schools out there. Unfortunately, you are right in their bloated administrative system. It just costs more to get anything done as it goes through more layers.
The trouble is that many more schools need to be built and staffed by QUALIFIED teachers. The rules have to be changed to not allow disruptive students ruin it for the rest that actually want to learn.
The public school system today is more a result of societies problems rather then the sole cause of it. Downward spiral.
Vouchers will probably result in the collapse of the public school system resulting in the chaos of the kids getting lost in the shuffle.

[Dichotomy]

Well since they're going to do it anyway lets give them access to booze and dope at school so they can be monitored.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by Eagler

I find it sick to imagine an 11 year old engaging in sex acts of any kind - maybe that is why it is against the law. To offer the pill does nothing towards education  on why NOT to do it, just clears the way as it removes the consequences.

Well I agree that kids having sex that early is not good nor healthy. There are other issues involved.
Are they dispensing the pills without advice? If they are then I would disagree with the policy. As had been mentioned above by Airscrew, the pill is not always a safe alternative and giving it to anyone especially to kids without counseling is not a good way to go about things.
Are there any studies that show the impact on long term health to the girls/women using the pill starting at that early an age?
Also for the pill to be somewhat effective, it has to be taken at regular intervals.
There are some adults out there that can't even do that.

[Donzo]

Originally posted by SaburoS
Vouchers are another form of socialism.

How so?

[Shamus]

In the olden days a parent would have to give permission before drugs were administered to a minor child.

Now that the State has taken over and stripped parental rights I guess we will get used to this type of thing.

shamus

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by Donzo
How so?

Vouchers, food stamps, or any program that benefits some that everyone pays into is a form of socialism. Those that don't have kids are going to be paying into (with their tax) a program that they will not directly benefit from.

[Donzo]

Originally posted by SaburoS
Vouchers, food stamps, or any program that benefits some that everyone pays into is a form of socialism. Those that don't have kids are going to be paying into (with their tax) a program that they will not directly benefit from.

What about a family that home school's?  They pay taxes and do not benefit from the money used for schools.  In that case, wouldn't the public school system be a form of socialism?

[kamilyun]

Originally posted by SaburoS
If yours was sexually active, would you ban her from any protection?

I wasn't aware that birth control pills were 'protection'.  They prevent pregnacies, but don't protect against STDs.  

If they were handing out condoms to 11 years olds, I'd be slightly less pissed off, but birth control?  F*** that.

[kamilyun]

Originally posted by Dichotomy
Well since they're going to do it anyway lets give them access to booze and dope at school so they can be monitored.

Sadly, that's about the same mentality.  11 year olds do drugs...let's provide them with clean needles and marijuana that's not laced.  11 year old girls drink and may be getting it from older kids who could put date rape drugs in it.  Let's provide them with 'roofiee-free alcohol'.

sigh

[lazs2]

vouchers are indeed a form of socialism.. all schooling that uses money extorted from citizens is.

The difference is choice.   The choice thing is the reverse of socialism...  at least you can have choice with vouchers.

as for class sizes?  the catholic school I attended had a class size of about 50 or so... there was no problem.. in a well behaved class it matters not.

in public school... one on one is two many for our public schools to handle... they have no clue on how to teach or how to have order.

Having to pick up the grand daughter in her 40 student catholic school class and then her friend in a 30 kid public school zoo is a revelation.

one of the songs my grand daughter learns is about being polite... one of the lines goes something like "and I will raise my hand and be recognized before speaking"

The public school zoo it is whoever can shout the loudest or is big enough to knock down everyone else.

And guess  what?   if the student is not doing well the catholic school does not get on TV and whine to the gullible public about how it is the parents fault or.. that they are not getting enough money for their part time job or the class is too big... anything but WE ARE NOT DOING OUR JOB WELL

As for birth control... the same people who feel aspirin is too dangerous to give to a kid with a headache are now saying it is perfectly fine to give em birth control pills?

On what planet?

lazs

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by Donzo
What about a family that home school's?  They pay taxes and do not benefit from the money used for schools.  In that case, wouldn't the public school system be a form of socialism?

That's the thing is that we ARE a country of socialistic programs. Whether it be via taxes or through private business (govt mandated auto insurance), we are a socialistic country. Adding school vouchers would be another socialistic program.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by kamilyun
I wasn't aware that birth control pills were 'protection'.  They prevent pregnacies, but don't protect against STDs.  

If they were handing out condoms to 11 years olds, I'd be slightly less pissed off, but birth control?  F*** that.

Actually I agree with you.

[lazs2]

subaru... of course vouchers are socialism.. but they are socialism with choice.  a hybrid socialism.

public schools are pure evil socialism... total government control  with no choice.  

The vouchers are simply the lesser of two evils... and... by a very large margin.

lazs

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by lazs2
subaru... of course vouchers are socialism.. but they are socialism with choice.  a hybrid socialism.

public schools are pure evil socialism... total government control  with no choice.  

The vouchers are simply the lesser of two evils... and... by a very large margin.

lazs

Ahh, so you're okay with socialism then. Ends justify the means?
Throwing vouchers out there will not take care of the problem.
We'd have to construct many more schools or fix the substandard ones or both.
Fixing the substandard schools is better than closing them.
Vouchers in and of themselves will not fix anything.