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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2007, 09:39:13 AM »
Tigress.... absent any solution on your part.. you are simply admitting that bush and our generals have the best solution..

no wall of words can change that.   It is easy to be critical and many mistakes have been made but.... without a solution... why participate in this mental masterbation?

give us something and we will tell you if we think it is better or worse of even workable.

Absent that... I think, as jackal says, that we are stuck with two philosophies that insist on the destruction of each other for survival... no amount of talk here or in real life will change that...

All that being the case... we are better off fighting and tying up resources there than here (so far) and if would be really great if a true democracy that was beholden to and willingly allied with us were in the region other than the jews.

I have to believe.. and obviously the islamonazis believe that our way of life is not only superior but is contagious... that more freedom is better for everyone.  

It never worked in the region before but.. there was no TV or internet and the arabs weren't wearing levis back then.. the world has shrunk and the day of the islamofacists keeping their people in the dark ages may be about over..

in any case.. the confrontaiton is inevitable... why not now?

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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2007, 09:48:56 AM »
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Tigress.... absent any solution on your part.. you are simply admitting that bush and our generals have the best solution..

no wall of words can change that.   It is easy to be critical and many mistakes have been made but.... without a solution... why participate in this mental masterbation?

give us something and we will tell you if we think it is better or worse of even workable.

Absent that... I think, as jackal says, that we are stuck with two philosophies that insist on the destruction of each other for survival... no amount of talk here or in real life will change that...

All that being the case... we are better off fighting and tying up resources there than here (so far) and if would be really great if a true democracy that was beholden to and willingly allied with us were in the region other than the jews.

I have to believe.. and obviously the islamonazis believe that our way of life is not only superior but is contagious... that more freedom is better for everyone.  

It never worked in the region before but.. there was no TV or internet and the arabs weren't wearing levis back then.. the world has shrunk and the day of the islamofacists keeping their people in the dark ages may be about over..

in any case.. the confrontaiton is inevitable... why not now?

lazs


Some things can't be said without a "Wall of Words"...

Such as The Vietnam Veteran's Memorial Wall.
Have you read that wall?

You may be right, or not, and if you are, will you let me nuke 'em with a B-2?

TIGERESS
« Last Edit: October 20, 2007, 09:53:47 AM by Tigeress »

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« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2007, 09:52:34 AM »
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Someone was commenting about the recent mocking and sacrilege at a Catholic church in San Francisco and they noted that if these gay militants had committed the same act against muslims they wouldn't be simply chastised, they'd be dead. Islam won't be dissauded from world domination with mere words.


I find such ignorance saddening.  On thier part, that is.  Not even giving a person with a different point of view a chance is just wrong to me.  I was taught to listen to people, even if you think thier dumb as a brick, listen to them.  They might suprise you.  (And so far, I think they have in this case, I did not realize that Islam was this badly off to my way of thinking, I thought it would be something I wouldn't have to think about.  It would seem that I am wrong.  Which is fine, I am rarely correct to start with.  Ironic, to me atleast.)

Mere words may not stop wrong doings, but it's better than jumping the gun and making all your friends angry to the point of hatred.  Going back to another topic, I suppose I might be able to make it into a more AH related scenerio.   As I am tired, and probably going to bed after this.  (Good nig- okay, the sun is up.  I'll just see y'all later. :rolleyes:)

(Again, bear with me, I've been up far too long, and this is kinda sketchy, I do not mean to anger, and if I do so, I am sorry.)

I see it like this, say you got... 4 P-51s.  Model don't matter, they're all the same.  Flying in formation, and generally being, well, good pals.  Wingmen, friends.   Suddenly, out of nowhere this Me-109 screechs out of the sun and stabs in thin air, barely missing one of them.   And diving down and away from them.   One of the P-51s break, and go after him.  When all the others are yelling to hold formation, let him walk away, he didn't cause no harm.    

Little does the P-51 that broke realize, he's dragging him down, and below the P-51s, under some clouds are a pair of 109s, waiting.  Waiting for one of the Mustangs to break, and go down.    

Two things can happen at this point, his wingman goes and backs him up incase he gets in trouble, which I see as the most likely.  Or they can let him go alone.  The least likely.

Either way, the end outcome does not matter.   The proper move (to me) would have been good teamwork, and better training.  The P-51 that originally broke formation would not have done so.   And thusly they would have all kept going as a group, taking care of each other, and themselves.

Instead of one guy trying to be a glory hog, and put himself, and possibly others in danger.  This is, to me, the difference between talking it out with your friends and just leaping to action like a Hero in a bad movie.

(I'm gonna note at this point that I do not have any little underlying tones here, If you find anything politcal in that little scenario beyond the teamwork I'm trying to point out, I did not mean it.)

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« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2007, 09:53:33 AM »
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Some things can't be said without a "Wall of Words"...

Such as The Vietnam Veteran's Memorial Wall.
Have you read that wall?

You may be right.

Will you let me nuke 'em with a B-2?

TIGERESS


How's your bull ridin'?

Major Kong gets my vote.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueuauKKjPZI
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« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2007, 09:55:20 AM »
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How's your bull ridin'?

Major Kong gets my vote.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueuauKKjPZI



hahahaha That, Sir, depends on the bull to be ridden!

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« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2007, 09:55:43 AM »
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I find such ignorance saddening.  On thier part, that is.  Not even giving a person with a different point of view a chance is just wrong to me.  I was taught to listen to people, even if you think thier dumb as a brick, listen to them.  They might suprise you.  (And so far, I think they have in this case, I did not realize that Islam was this badly off to my way of thinking, I thought it would be something I wouldn't have to think about.  It would seem that I am wrong.  Which is fine, I am rarely correct to start with.  Ironic, to me atleast.)

Mere words may not stop wrong doings, but it's better than jumping the gun and making all your friends angry to the point of hatred.  Going back to another topic, I suppose I might be able to make it into a more AH related scenerio.   As I am tired, and probably going to bed after this.  (Good nig- okay, the sun is up.  I'll just see y'all later. :rolleyes:)

(Again, bear with me, I've been up far too long, and this is kinda sketchy, I do not mean to anger, and if I do so, I am sorry.)

I see it like this, say you got... 4 P-51s.  Model don't matter, they're all the same.  Flying in formation, and generally being, well, good pals.  Wingmen, friends.   Suddenly, out of nowhere this Me-109 screechs out of the sun and stabs in thin air, barely missing one of them.   And diving down and away from them.   One of the P-51s break, and go after him.  When all the others are yelling to hold formation, let him walk away, he didn't cause no harm.    

Little does the P-51 that broke realize, he's dragging him down, and below the P-51s, under some clouds are a pair of 109s, waiting.  Waiting for one of the Mustangs to break, and go down.    

Two things can happen at this point, his wingman goes and backs him up incase he gets in trouble, which I see as the most likely.  Or they can let him go alone.  The least likely.

Either way, the end outcome does not matter.   The proper move (to me) would have been good teamwork, and better training.  The P-51 that originally broke formation would not have done so.   And thusly they would have all kept going as a group, taking care of each other, and themselves.

Instead of one guy trying to be a glory hog, and put himself, and possibly others in danger.  This is, to me, the difference between talking it out with your friends and just leaping to action like a Hero in a bad movie.

(I'm gonna note at this point that I do not have any little underlying tones here, If you find anything politcal in that little scenario beyond the teamwork I'm trying to point out, I did not mean it.)


I'm not really sure what your point is here unless you're suggesting that the majority of muslims have nothing to do with the extremists. Rather than make bad analogies why not just say what you mean?
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« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2007, 10:10:10 AM »
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I'm not really sure what your point is here unless you're suggesting that the majority of muslims have nothing to do with the extremists. Rather than make bad analogies why not just say what you mean?


That is one of the things I admire about Lazs... he gets to the point; same with Jakal!

...and to be "to the point" the problem is the Quran and it's power over the minds of 1e9 to 1.8e9 people World Wide who blindly believe it.

If they are Muslims they, by definition, have no choice but to believe the Quran word for word.

Gonna nuke them all? how many countries would that be?

We are on the ropes... they are winning... everytime we shoot one them the Hydra grows two more just like him.

TIGERESS
« Last Edit: October 20, 2007, 10:35:04 AM by Tigeress »

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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2007, 10:22:09 AM »
the vietnam memorial is not a "wall of words"

It is the names of heros put in stone.

I find it offensive that you would compare a few pointless, rambling paragraphs of drivel with such a monument.

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« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2007, 10:36:26 AM »
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the vietnam memorial is not a "wall of words"

It is the names of heros put in stone.

I find it offensive that you would compare a few pointless, rambling paragraphs of drivel with such a monument.

lazs


So noted, sir.

I mean no offense even if you take offense... and I will ignore your insults.
 Seeing a "a few pointless, rambling paragraphs of drivel " is your opinion... not fact.

They happen to be my opinions and I would thank you not to attack me.

Names are words. Those names are on a wall.

IF "Wall of Words" is Lazs-speak for "a few pointless, rambling paragraphs of drivel" then that is your definition of "a wall of words" not mine, Sir.

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« Last Edit: October 20, 2007, 10:53:36 AM by Tigeress »

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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2007, 10:48:42 AM »
well.. I don't think I did attack you.   I pointed out that you were rambling.  

I had a very difficult time trying to figure out just what your opinion was from what you wrote.   I got the frustration and helpless "feeling" out of it but very little in the way of constructive opinion.

The part about comparing said rambling with a memorial that makes a powerful statement with no real words.. simply names... well.. that came off as... as.. I don't know what.. if nothing else it just was more... rambling.  It was like "WTF?.. where the hell did that come from?"

we think a lot differently I am sure of that much... what I am not sure of is what the hell you are ever trying to say.   Getting to the point is not a bad thing ya know?

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« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2007, 10:56:41 AM »
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well.. I don't think I did attack you.   I pointed out that you were rambling.  

I had a very difficult time trying to figure out just what your opinion was from what you wrote.   I got the frustration and helpless "feeling" out of it but very little in the way of constructive opinion.

The part about comparing said rambling with a memorial that makes a powerful statement with no real words.. simply names... well.. that came off as... as.. I don't know what.. if nothing else it just was more... rambling.  It was like "WTF?.. where the hell did that come from?"

we think a lot differently I am sure of that much... what I am not sure of is what the hell you are ever trying to say.   Getting to the point is not a bad thing ya know?

lazs


Ok... thanks for clarifying. I have total admiration and respect for Veterans... and my Father, May God Rest His Soul, was a Vietnam Veteran, in addition to a Korean War Veteran and a WWII Veteran.

I come from a long line of warriors in my family... three generations.

My respect is supreme.

TIGERESS
« Last Edit: October 20, 2007, 11:00:46 AM by Tigeress »

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« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2007, 11:03:09 AM »
Read this; it clarifies what my opinion is at its root.


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That is one of the things I admire about Lazs... he gets to the point; same with Jakal!

...and to be "to the point" the problem is the Quran and it's power over the minds of 1e9 to 1.8e9 people World Wide who blindly believe it.

If they are Muslims they, by definition, have no choice but to believe the Quran word for word.

TIGERESS

And the Quran says to kill those who do not convert to Islam; those who obey and kill us get unlimited sex with virgins (women) in heaven forever; men are horny; go figure.

Gonna nuke them all? how many countries would that be?

We are on the ropes... they are winning... everytime we shoot one them the Hydra grows two more just like him.

You don't stop that with B-2 borne nukes... they will just get to go to heaven and screw virgin women for Eternity!

TIGERESS
« Last Edit: October 20, 2007, 11:18:39 AM by Tigeress »

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« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2007, 11:22:30 AM »
I find this a bit confusing. You make a statement that "we" are losing and going about this all in the wrong way, a way that makes the enemy stronger. You also say you have no idea how better to do the job and win. Since you have no better idea or strategy, how are you so certain that the means being used is so wrong? If you have no other option other than total capitulation, which you yourself do not want to do, what do you think is so wrong?

You don't have any options other than to complain because the situation you can't comprehend isn't over at this time, without having a clue as to how it should be done or long the thing should go.

By what rationale do you assume everything is wrong if you have no idea what is a right way to solve a problem?

What makes it wrong to you?

What would make a strategy right to you?

How would you recognise it?

How long should the conflict last and or with how many casualties before you end it?

How will you know when the conflict is over?
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« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2007, 11:26:25 AM »
One thing we know for certain, doing nothing like clinton did for 8 years led to increasing violence against us culminating on 9/11.
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« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2007, 11:36:31 AM »
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We are on the ropes... they are winning... everytime we shoot one them the Hydra grows two more just like him.



Did you ever think that it's possible that we are winning?

Think of it as the glass half full or half empty.  

Your perspective seems to be the half empty one.

Mine is the half full one.

So we kill 1 of there's, and two more replace him..
What about if by us killing one of there's, 10 or 20 more realize that suicide bombing, or terrorist acts aren't going to do nothing except make them dead.

Jihad akmed decides to blow himself up in a crowd of people.
A US soldier puts a bullet through his brain as he's running towards that crowd.  
50 muslims are saved by the US soldier, and they start to tell there families or friends, "Hey akbar,  jihad akmed almost killed me and my wife today, but an american saved us.  Maybe they aren't the infidels that everyone keeps saying they are."

Multiply that by 100 or 1,000, or 1,000,000 and eventually the hydra runs out of heads to replace.
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