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Offline MORAY37

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1125 on: January 04, 2008, 08:41:07 PM »
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When I make a prediction based upon Newtons Universal law of Gravitation, I can be correct within 99.99999% 99.99999% of the time.
This theory works this well on anything with mass.  Pretty good.


That is a serious issue in the logic you used, comparing the theory of gravity to climate models.  


  Large extremes in weather have always happened.  The last time a record setting temperature, rainfall, or drought occured, that was a weater extreme.

I am glad to have this continuing non-debate with you.


#1... I didn't use Newton's law of Gravitation at any point in time...YOU brought that into the conversation... and it is nowhere near the same thing.  Newton's law works because gravity is a CONSTANT...acted upon by one variable, itself.  There will never be a climate model come close to that degree of accuracy, the variables are just too many.

Repeated runnings of models that use these variables gets you into the ballpark, but it will never find you home base.

#2.  As for your..."weather extremes" definition... I will go with your advertised definition and now show you something which merits a look.

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According to an AP analysis of U.S. weather data, a total of 263 all-time high temperature records were broken or tied in 2007. In August alone, 8,000 new heat records were broken or tied in the US alone. In addition that same month saw more than a hundred all time records broken, regardless of month. Either for the highest temperature or the warmest low temperature by night, it was definitely a weird August for America.



Also, watch the news and see the west coast get upwards of 10 FEET of snow this next few days... tell me that's normal and I have you by the gonads.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1126 on: January 04, 2008, 08:46:10 PM »
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I, Curval, do hereby promise not to make any more posts in any thread based on determining if GW is manmade or a naturally occuring cycle.

Sorry lazs...a promise is a promise.

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1127 on: January 05, 2008, 07:54:12 AM »
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Lazs

Rightly or wrongly there is a huge debate on global warming/climate change.  Your own EPA highlights its existance.
 


So now we know. Laz bought the EPA.
So at least we know who to send the complaints concerning the total ridiculousness of some of the laws they have forced through to.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1128 on: January 05, 2008, 08:11:42 AM »
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So now we know. Laz bought the EPA.
So at least we know who to send the complaints concerning the total ridiculousness of some of the laws they have forced through to.


That is just dumb Jackal.  When lazs refers to the royal "we" you don't question it.

When I said "your own EPA" I OBVIOUSLY meant the United States, being that I don't live there...but you knew that.  You just don't want to comment on the points I've made.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1129 on: January 05, 2008, 08:42:00 AM »
Is there someone here trying to derail the actual subject of general climate discussion, and if so, why?
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1130 on: January 05, 2008, 08:48:23 AM »
lol Toad.

Nice stalk.  

I'm sorry, you are right, I did make that promise.  I'll just go away now and stop pointing out manipulations of the truth and total inconsistancy of the main protagonist posting here.

Then you can go back to watching out for any further breaches in my former promises.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1131 on: January 05, 2008, 08:58:04 AM »
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[BAlso, watch the news and see the west coast get upwards of 10 FEET of snow this next few days... tell me that's normal and I have you by the gonads. [/B]

Tell us how its abnormal.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1132 on: January 05, 2008, 09:04:35 AM »
Anecdotal evidence--i.e. the occasional huge storm, or LACK thereof, has naught  to do with globa-- I mean, Climate Change
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1133 on: January 05, 2008, 09:11:39 AM »
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lol Toad.

Nice stalk.  

I'm sorry, you are right, I did make that promise.  I'll just go away now and stop pointing out manipulations of the truth and total inconsistancy of the main protagonist posting here.

Then you can go back to watching out for any further breaches in my former promises.


I hardly stalked you.

I continue read this thread in absolute awe of how long some people can beat a dead horse. It's also a useful tool to sort out those who can actually make a cogent argument from those whose best move is an ad hominem.

I just found it interesting that you had to jump back into the soup after swearing off.  :)
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1134 on: January 05, 2008, 10:41:02 AM »
moray.. I live in northern kalifornia and this storm is nothing that we have not seen before nor is it anything we will not see again.    

some years it rains here in july... some it does not.   which times is it our fault and which times is it just the unpredictable nature of.... nature?

Is it gonna rain  next july?  will there be a storm just like this next year?   Of course you don't know..  of course your computer models that we have spent billions on (that is billions with a b) cant tell us.   they can only predict gloom far enough out that no one can dispute it..  or.. with enough adjustment.. they can "predict" what has already happened.

we were in a "drought"..  happens round here all the time.. now the storm has put the snow pack at about "normal"  things are....  "normal"  whatever that is..

which was our fault and which is the bad stuff?

Nothing bad is happening anywhere do to this warming trend.

When it gets colder it will be worse.. fortunately.. the computer models offer a solutution when it gets too cold....

burn the rain forests and start using nothing but coal for power.

fortunately.. we have lots of coal.

see... everything will work out.  you have wrung your hands raw for nothing.   like a little girl.

lazs
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1135 on: January 05, 2008, 05:43:42 PM »
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When I said "your own EPA" I OBVIOUSLY meant the United States, being that I don't live there...but you knew that.  You just don't want to comment on the points I've made.


If you ever make one, let me know. I`ll see if I can scrounge up a comment.

I think your first mistake was to hold the EPA up as some holy grail. It`s far from it. Pain in the arse maybe. Holy grail...no.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1136 on: January 05, 2008, 05:49:03 PM »
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If you ever make one, let me know. I`ll see if I can scrounge up a comment.

I think your first mistake was to hold the EPA up as some holy grail. It`s far from it. Pain in the arse maybe. Holy grail...no.


The point is really quite simple.  Holden made the comment along the lines of that now that it is cold the GW alarmists will claim Global Climate change rather than Global Warming.

The fact of the matter is that it is climate change that is the concern according to the UNITED STATES ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY.  It is hardly *my* holy grail.  It is the organisation that YOUR tax dollars support on the subject at hand.

Try and scrounge up a comment on that.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1137 on: January 05, 2008, 05:50:30 PM »
I see it`s gonna be a while.
Tis OK. I can wait.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1138 on: January 05, 2008, 05:55:05 PM »
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I see it`s gonna be a while.
Tis OK. I can wait.


LOL

I'm sorry, I just can't come up with the kind of brilliant insight and amazing point making ability as you displayed when you suggested lazs bought the EPA.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1139 on: January 05, 2008, 06:36:02 PM »
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LOL

I'm sorry, I just can't come up with the kind of brilliant insight and amazing point making ability as you displayed when you suggested lazs bought the EPA.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


We know, but we overlook it.

Now......for that point?
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