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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1170 on: January 09, 2008, 01:16:08 PM »
...which by the way mostly do not come from the Persian Gulf :D
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1171 on: January 09, 2008, 01:19:19 PM »
I'm not going to read every post through a 1000+ thread but imho man made global warming is a scam.

There is nothing unusual about the present climate. The Earth has been far, far warmer than today and far, far colder. It's just that Gore decided to make a film about it.

As for all the computer models, models from my understanding only  attempt to forecast  based on a set of rules and assumptions. If your rules and assumptions are wrong, so is your computer model.  

I can't even get an accurate forecast 7 days ahead for my state, how can I get an accurate forecast 20 years ahead for the planet?

Global warming has turned into a political bangwagon, and as it swings into gear more and more politicans have jumped onto it to please the left and greenies.  

But most of all, as with anything in politics it's all about money.  They see man made global warming as a new age Boogie Man to scare the masses. They see trillions of dollars in new taxes and the government agencies see billions of dollars of funding research grants. Furthermore, there's so much money at stake the politicians can feather their nest and their supporter's nests too!  

It's about $$$, power and control. The perfect scam. After all, who doesn't want to save the earth !



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« Reply #1172 on: January 09, 2008, 01:21:42 PM »
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I already feel it's too late for any measure to significantly impact the changes already in motion.  But then again...there's always been 104 tornados in January.  :noid  It's all a big scam...if that's what lets you wake up happy in the morning lazs, you ostrich.




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1999- A record-breaking 141 tornadoes ripped through Arkansas, Louisiana and Tennessee in January. More tornadoes occurred on Jan. 21 — a preliminary total of 87 — than on any previous January day on record.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1173 on: January 09, 2008, 01:27:58 PM »
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50 years of Historical January Tornadoes---

 
1999- A record-breaking 141 tornadoes ripped through Arkansas, Louisiana and Tennessee in January. More tornadoes occurred on Jan. 21 — a preliminary total of 87 — than on any previous January day on record.



Holden, facts and common sense have no place int eh MMGW debate.

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1174 on: January 09, 2008, 01:36:20 PM »
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50 years of Historical January Tornadoes--- [/B]


So how many Tornadoes were there 55,100,150 years ago? So in the 50 years of recorded Tornadoes, we currently have an increase. I'm sure there has been increases and decreases in Tornadoes for the last few thousand years and long before Man was even here let alone knew anything about Co2.


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« Reply #1175 on: January 09, 2008, 02:22:02 PM »
I just wanted to be the 1200 post :)
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« Reply #1176 on: January 09, 2008, 02:58:23 PM »
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I just wanted to be the 1200 post :)


Bastage, that was my goal... guess I'll shoot for #2000

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1177 on: January 09, 2008, 06:23:11 PM »
Lazs you keep repeating yourself.
OK, drama queens...hmm...they have a point in metreological highpoints being topped with increased frequency, as well as the absolute measure of Ice melting take us back into a non-existant condition for millions of years.
Doom and gloom, well it's happened before, and what was prosperous life for some species a long time ago would be doom for human civilization.
As for predictions, I am sure that you can better predict that you live through the year, rather than you get sick or not next week. I can expect to live longer as well, but I am not sure, and I might get ill tomorrow. Have some hint of it too......
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« Last Edit: January 21, 2008, 09:57:33 AM by Skuzzy »
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1178 on: January 10, 2008, 04:10:42 AM »
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Lazs you keep repeating yourself.
OK, drama queens...hmm...they have a point in metreological highpoints being topped with increased frequency, as well as the absolute measure of Ice melting take us back into a non-existant condition for millions of years.


They, who's they? They have no point that proves (without doubt) Co2 emissions cause global warming, which will therefore cause the icecaps to melt and for all of us to drown within the next 50 years.

What Melting Ice? The Artic? So what, it's floating Ice and only makes up about 0.01% of the worlds Ice. The worlds sea levels aren't going to increase and drown us all due to floating ice melting. :lol

What about the dramatic Gore film of the Antartic Shelf collapsing. That's what the shelf edges do in Spring/Summer and it reforms again over the winter. The Antartic isn't melting it's too bloody big and cold.  Even if it was melting with the most extreme computer models it would still takes 10's of thousands of years.

I have no problem with environmentalist causes,  but global warming is taking this idea to the extreme and is a political scam. I'm not going to let people like Al Gore and politicans tell me what type of light bulb to use.



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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1179 on: January 10, 2008, 08:37:18 AM »
drama queens?   have you seen gores movie?  it is nothing but BS and drama..  bad science.. not even allowed in british schools except as being bad drama...

All the outrageous predictions that have been made by the alarmists?  are those not drama?  and insulting I might add.   We will not have 30 or 20 or even 10 foot rises in the ocean by 2050..   no one can even predict what the weather will be in 2050 but it does seem that it will be cooler.. the globe is cooling.   suns activity has gone down.

Why do the alarmist always feel that they have to say the most exagerated things?  drama queens.

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1180 on: January 10, 2008, 02:01:38 PM »
Here is something about the coming Ice Age?????????????

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/01/10/ice-age-cometh-by-steve-farrell/

I do remember the cryin about an Ice Age back around then.

Seems this guy does too.

OOPS edit to point at he REPORTS OF DARKNESS INCREASING!!!

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1181 on: January 11, 2008, 07:52:12 AM »
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Jan11/0,4670,IraqFirstSnowinMemory,00.html


BAGHDAD —  After weathering nearly five years of war, Baghdad residents thought they'd pretty much seen it all. But Friday morning, as muezzins were calling the faithful to prayer, the people here awoke to something certifiably new.

For the first time in memory, snow fell across Baghdad.

Although the white flakes quickly dissolved into gray puddles, they brought an emotion rarely expressed in this desert capital snarled by army checkpoints, divided by concrete walls and ravaged by sectarian killings _ delight.

"For the first time in my life I saw a snow-rain like this falling in Baghdad," said Mohammed Abdul-Hussein, a 63-year-old retiree from the New Baghdad area.

"When I was young, I heard from my father that such rain had fallen in the early '40s on the outskirts of northern Baghdad," Abdul-Hussein said, referring to snow as a type of rain. "But snow falling in Baghdad in such a magnificent scene was beyond my imagination."

Morning temperatures uncharacteristically hovered around freezing, and the Baghdad airport was closed because of poor visibility. Snow is common in the mountainous Kurdish areas of northern Iraq, but residents of the capital and surrounding areas could remember just hail.

"I asked my mother, who is 80, whether she'd ever seen snow in Iraq before, and her answer was no," said Fawzi Karim, a 40-year-old father of five who runs a small restaurant in Hawr Rajab, a village six miles southeast of Baghdad.

"This is so unusual, and I don't know whether or not it's a lesson from God," Karim said.

Some said they'd seen snow only in movies.

Talib Haider, a 19-year-old college student, said "a friend of mine called me at 8 a.m. to wake me up and tell me that the sky is raining snow."

"I rushed quickly to the balcony to see a very beautiful scene," he said. "I tried to film it with my cell phone camera. This scene has really brought me joy. I called my other friends and the morning turned to be a very happy one in my life."

An Iraqi who works for The Associated Press said he woke his wife and children shortly after 7 a.m. to "have a look at this strange thing." He then called his brother and sister and found them awake, also watching the "cotton-like snow drops covering the trees."

For a couple of hours anyway, a city where mortar shells routinely zoom across to the Green Zone became united as one big White Zone. As of late afternoon, there were no reports of violence. The snow showed no favoritism as it fell faintly on neighborhoods *****e and Sunni alike, and (with apologies to James Joyce) upon all the living and the dead

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1182 on: January 11, 2008, 07:59:21 AM »
It is hard to keep up with the hand wringers and drama queens who push man made global warming but...

Now it is "man made global climate change"   every event that is different than one last year.. every high or low and every record.. is our fault.. except for the good ones..

And that is the problem.. the global temps have been great for decades.. it has been a time of prosperity.   This happens from time to time.. we are lucky to live in such a time..

It will get cold soon enough.   We wont be able to do anything about that either.

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1183 on: January 11, 2008, 08:01:39 AM »
It snowed and you are showing your ignorance in assuming one day of snow makes GW a myth.  As stated numerous times by your buddies no-one is denying that GW exists, the debate focuses upon whether or not it is man made.

So...I'm not getting your point.

What it does show is that there has been some incredibly freakish weather in December and January, worldwide.  Maybe you could explain to us the reasons?
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1184 on: January 11, 2008, 08:12:45 AM »
the idea behind weather records is that from time to time.. they are broken...  

Ever since the beginning of time people have said "hottest damn year I can recall" or..  "coldest march I can recall" or "least rain ever" or  "most rain ever" or... the real truth behind all of em...   "cant do anything about the weather"

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