General Climate Discussion

[lazs2]

sheesh.. you should have kept your word and not posted again moray.

So we do agree that co2 gas is not a major player.. I don't know what you consider "gateway" to mean tho..  it seems nebulous like pot being a "gateway" drug.   If co2 is driving warming... why is co2 going up but not temp?  why has co2 always lagged warmer temps in the past but now.. the alarmists are claiming it leads?

climate and weather are linked... in fact... the so called "models" use weather predicting factors to get their results.   sooo.. let me put it another way.. we can't use those factors to predict the climate of next month.. how can we reasonably expect them to have it down for a century?   Why do they not predict the future on the charts.. only the past?

Why?  because every time they have made a prediction they have had to retract it or tone it down.

Angus.. even moray will tell you that many things can make sea level rise or fall compared to dry land mass.  If he is honest.. he will tell you that there is a margin of error... it is not an exact science.  an inch in 10 years is about within the margin of error.

No "30' rise" as was predicted earlier by the alarmists.. no "billions will drown"....  an inch or two at best.. and then... within the margin of error.
lazs

[Angus]

It's still almost a foot in 100 years. With the same speed, which is not the case, as well as I have never seen landrise added to the equation.
My hunch is that the SL raising will be much more noteable nearer to the equador, - in areas thet were not pressed by the Iceage.

[lazs2]

It's almost a foot in 100 years if nothing else changes.   and.. we don't factor in the margin of error.

Truth is..  the climate will, unfortunately, go into a normal and natural cooling trend long before that... just as it always has done.

Chances are.. long before 100 years are up.. the alarmists will be asking for grants and bigger government to combat man made global cooling and the horror of the oceans sinking a tent of an inch a year.

you may or may not be so gullible next time.

lazs

[Angus]

And while the alarmists get oppeosed by deniers who do not want research, the SL is going to rise, and perhaps me and Lazs will live to see the Nothern icecap disappear while Lazs will deny to his/hers dying day that it is happening.
At that time, the pre planned oil drilling plans of many a big company that always denied GW, is going into new heights because of open grounds that used to be covered with ice.
When me and Lazs have been dead some 200 years the CO2 PPM will be where???????????????????????????????????????????????????
And the SL?????????????????????????????????????????????

Lazs, -  give a guess

[lazs2]

I gave a guess..  just like they are doing.  I have told you.. we will go into a natural cooling cycle long before your disaster scenario hits.. I can only hope that we don't go too far into an ice age.  If we do tho... there will be nothing we can do about it.

I am not at all opposed to research.  I think that it should be equally funded tho.   that it should be pure research with no agenda.  No matter what.  I think that those who hold that it is not man made should be funded equally with those who do.

Why?  I don't think any scientist today can be unaffected by money and politics sooo.. we need to fund both sides the same and let the best theory win.

Lets get over the hysteria and see both sides.. there are thousands and thousands of scientists, and more every day that are jumping the MMGW ship... yet.. the alarmists and true believers are getting even more shrill.

Look at moray.. he himself is not a climate scientist at all.. he has no background but.. he looks down his nose at the "stupid" people here who doubt.. even tho.. it is not us he is looking down at but the thousands of scientists with better backgrounds than his that he is putting down.. we are just quoting them.   It matters not if we swim in the ocean and play with sealife or not.

as for singer.... Yep.. he made the outlandish claim that second hand smoke was not worse for you than first hand smoke..  I happen to believe he is right.  I have seen no proof that he is wrong..

lazs

[Angus]

And if your guess is wrong?

As for supported research, I recall you being all for the Oil-company supported campaign. Is it my memory?

[soda72]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom
of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances

Maybe an update is needed...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or of climate science, or prohibiting the free exercise
thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the
right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government
for a redress of grievances

[AKH]

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[MORAY37]

Originally posted by lazs2
I gave a guess..  just like they are doing.  I have told you.. we will go into a natural cooling cycle long before your disaster scenario hits.. I can only hope that we don't go too far into an ice age.  If we do tho... there will be nothing we can do about it.

I am not at all opposed to research.  I think that it should be equally funded tho.   that it should be pure research with no agenda.  No matter what.  I think that those who hold that it is not man made should be funded equally with those who do.

Why?  I don't think any scientist today can be unaffected by money and politics sooo.. we need to fund both sides the same and let the best theory win.

Lets get over the hysteria and see both sides.. there are thousands and thousands of scientists, and more every day that are jumping the MMGW ship... yet.. the alarmists and true believers are getting even more shrill.

Look at moray.. he himself is not a climate scientist at all.. he has no background but.. he looks down his nose at the "stupid" people here who doubt.. even tho.. it is not us he is looking down at but the thousands of scientists with better backgrounds than his that he is putting down.. we are just quoting them.   It matters not if we swim in the ocean and play with sealife or not.

as for singer.... Yep.. he made the outlandish claim that second hand smoke was not worse for you than first hand smoke..  I happen to believe he is right.  I have seen no proof that he is wrong..

lazs

Sir, you don't know my background and don't know me.  Take that for what it is, and STFU.  My posts have been skuzzified for saying less than what you just did.

I simply say understand the basic science before you call it blasphemous.

[Vulcan]

To put things in perspective, we had a minor volcanic eruption in NZ a few weeks ago. The propellor-heads reckon it put out more "greenhouse gases" in that one tiny eruption than the entire population of NZ does in a year.

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by AKH
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I highly recommend anyone check these out, who might not have otherwise.

[Angus]

WOW! What a scam, LOL.
TY for the tip.

[lazs2]

LOL... I love the way the alarmists all "provide some balance" whenever anyone challenges MMGW...  where was the "balace" on algores drama/documentary ?

even tho there was probly not one fact in the thing... no one said a word.. the media loved it and even gave it an academy award.

moray... my point with you is that you are not one of the worlds leading climatoligists...  you are probly not the leader in your field... god help us if you are...

The point is that scientists with a lot more credentials all doubt that co2 and man is causing the globe to warm at all..  even more think that if we are it is negligable..   You aren't telling us to STFU.. you are telling them..

recently a petition was circulated and 17,000 men with advanced degrees all signed it saying that they thought MMGW was a hoax.      Are you gonna tell all of them to STFU (as you so daintily put it)

What did I say to you that was so bad?  you get skuzzyfied because you explode like a child.

lazs

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by lazs2
LOL... I love the way the alarmists all "provide some balance" whenever anyone challenges MMGW...  where was the "balace" on algores drama/documentary ?
lazs

It`s the saving of the cartoon frog I tell ya. Very emotional moment that was.

[lazs2]

Oh yeah.. show that co2 lags not leads temp and they say "well.. this time is different it is now leading."

say that the co2 is going up but for 8 years the temp has not (20 for the US) and they say... "give it time..  nothing happens instantly"

say the suns activity leads global temp and they say "but look.. for  two years the activity was not as strong and the temp still went up"   no, "give it time" stuff there.

algore presents a weepy mocumentary and it is praised and even some scientists (at first) praised the science... of course now... england will not allow it to be shown at schools as fact.

The "swindle" documentary?  real scientists saying that it is a hoax the MMGW thing.. the media and alarmists come unglued.. even their attempt to discredit (add balance) is weak.. the basics have not been discredited at all.   co2 can't be doing it.

We are indeed being swindled by the alarmists and the socialists.    

lazs