General Climate Discussion

[lazs2]

now we are getting somewhere..   you would "tax fossil fuels and use the money to buy land"  and to pay for alternative energies?

Ok..  how do you tax fuel?   Are you saying we need some one world government like say.... oh, I don't know..   the frigging UN say?    They make some law that every country in the world tax fuel and send the money to them and they will make it all better with land purchase and funding alternative fuels for the entire world?

You would just do away with the governments of all the countries we have now?

Ok... you are king..  but you got to admit.. not a very workable plan... but... how much tax is enough?

$10 on each gallon of oil?   10 cents?   what would you do with the land you bought?  what alternative fuels would you fund?

lazs

[Airscrew]

Originally posted by Angus
my job as a king of the globe would be simple. Tax fossil fuels. Use the tax money (earmarked) for land retrival, growing projects and alternative energies. Just that.

I thought we already did that, here anyway, tax on gas and oil to fund alternative energy research, I see thats working real well...

How bout they have a program similar to the Spacecraft X prize.   Give priviate companies a goal and a prize for developing a real, workable, realistic alternative energy

[Angus]

I have to pay more than 2$ per LITRE of fuel, be it diesel or petrol.
That gives me second thoughts when I rush to town to buy..... bread, - frequently ending with the decision of a bicycle. Cars are for bad weather
It also affects the choice of a car, - no guzzler please....
Lazs, as a King of the globe (remember), I don't buy land. I just take it
If there are owners they can share the dungeons with you.
Anyway, I refer to land to reclaim, what is already a waste or a steppe. Useless land that can be cultivated. There is quite a lot of it about, but with current economy it doesn't pay off to use it.
You know, it's funny, my "King of the globe" scenario is just a shortcut to what you predict is bound to happen anyway. Fossil fuel will run out and something else tae over, - resources being depleted will go up in price untill there is a balance etc. Our differences there are mainly two as I can see it, -
1. I think that "we" are making a hell of a damage before realiy hits the money system.
2. I think that something can be done about it.


Anyway, good night fellars

[straffo]

Originally posted by lazs2

I admit that water vapor is the major player in greenhouse gas.   I don't have a clue as too how much of a player greenhouse gas is.. neither do you but...
 

so few logic in so few lines,I'm speechless

[Angus]

Again to the point, - the USA has lots of engineering at work. But while the gas is cheap, the competition is hard. But still there is progress in research and developments of alternative usage of energy....

http://www.psu.edu/ur/2007/biohydrogen.htm

[Louis XVII]

Originally posted by Angus
As a sidenote, just got D.A.'s "Planet Earth" series on DVD. Can't wait to watch. Going to be one heck of a job to quote that though

I was at a friend's house for the past few days. He has a brand new 42 inch HD TV and HDDTV (?) DVD player, and the Planet Earth series on DVD. We watched about 6 programmes - absolutely stunning photography, sometimes taken in the depths of the earth. DA believes in MMGW by the way. And it is clear that there is very little that DA does not know about this planet, so it would not surprise me if Lazs thought he was rubbish.

Still, I don't place much value on the rantings of people who form an opinion first and then go in search of material to support it second. And I absolutely agree with Hortlund ^ who said that often the folks denying MMGW do so because they don't WANT to know the truth as they fear it would go against their lifestyle or hurt "their" economy.

And... it's not worth debating with an 85%-DUH poster, who clearly does not have a grasp of basic chemistry.

[Angus]

Well, I did use the phrase "OSTRIDGE"

[lazs2]

LOL... so if it is on TV..

Sheesh you guys.. just prove it to me.. show me that chemistry that I am not getting.. show me that math that says our co2 is heating the planet in any catastrophic way.   It is simple really... they even have contests where you can win what?  50 grand? if you can prove co2 is doing something to the climate.

co2 is going up..  there has been no warming of the planet for 7 years.. the average has actually gone down 0.04 degrees... nothing tho really if you take the insane margin of error...  the U.S. who uses sat data... has not seen a warming in 18 years.   So how bad is it?

angus... you would tax fuel?   but there are lots of places that tax fuel and they haven't done a damn thing with the money... and... as I have pointed out.. what good is cutting down consumption... by your plan.. at best say.... 25% when one coal fire is making more co2 than all the cars and trucks in America?

but.. it will happen in any case... as fuel gets more expensive.. cars will get driven less and get better mileage.. no need to do anything.. as the demand increases their will be inventions to satisfy it and make some people rich.

What are you worried about?   show me the predictions for next years weather..  for 5 years.. ten..  lets see how it looks in five years.

If you are right it will be apparent.  we can't do much anyway so lets look at it again in 5 years.... if the predictions are again proven to be so much bs and exaggeration... like they always are... then we can all breath a sigh of relief.

The fact is that more and more people are starting to ask for proof and there just isn't any.

Why not just have a series of films or whatever that... just like algores movie... tell us all exactly what is happening and will happen in laymans terms?   I mean.. one just like algores movie but without all the lieing?

why not? because the case can't be made without stretching the truth or being vague... because it is far from being a fact that MMGW exists or is even a problem if it does.

I bet more people reading this thread have started to doubt the whole scam than have gone to your view of "do something radical right now just in case"

That is happening on a world scale.. more and more people, scientists and laymen, are speaking out... you couldn't google a person who didn't believe the MMGW party line a few years ago... now you get millions of hits when you do a search for MMGW hoax or scam or co2 scam.

I think that this is good.. this is too important to not debate.. yet.. the MMGW types don't want debate.. they get their butts kicked in open debate... I linked one such debate and the audience ended up with a complete reversal of opinion when it was over.

No.. in order for the scam to work.. there can be no debate... just a flood of arrogant and worthless quasi info and quasi science.


lazs

[Shuffler]

Report on ABC (I think it was) talked about a jet that flew from europe to the US and back with no passengers. Stated how much fuel was burned and how much carbon was made. Only problem was that the carbon weighed something like 600% more than the fuel burned.

Seems if your a Global Warming "Enthusiast" your calculations can be as miscalculated as you want them to be.

[MajIssue]

Originally posted by Sabre
Not that it will convince the die-hard Man-Made Global Warming followers, but hey...I can try.

http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2007&month=08

He's obviously a paid hack for Big Oil.

Good Post Sabre!

   The best evidence I can cite is: The global mean temperature on MARS has risen during the last 50 years.

   Now unless Halliburton and the Bush/Cheny cabal []has started dumping millions of tons of CO2 into the Martian atmosphere, Its is safe to assume that the variation of total solar luminesence (it is a fact that our sun is a variable star) has risen.

   A normal/sane person without a whacked out political agenda could only conclude that the reason the average global mean temperature has gone up (marginally) over the last 50 years is because the sun is emmiting more energy! The Earth is warmer for the same reason Mars is warmer... It's supposed to be warmer, and this "effect" is part of the suns natural variability cycle.

   We humans will do what wehave always done... adapt to the ever changing climate on our fragile speck of dust in the vastness of the cosmos.

   A more reasoned response to all this climate change hysteria would be to start looking for another planet that can sustain us, because in a few billion (thats a few thousand million) years we won't have a planet to call home anymore, as earth will be reduced to a smoldering cinder orbiting a white dwarf star that used to be our life giving sun!:aok

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by MajIssue
Good Post Sabre!

   The best evidence I can cite is: The global mean temperature on MARS has risen during the last 50 years.

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Dear God, this stuff was debunked 6 months ago, and we still have people around coming up with this anus of an argument.

Quick question, if the energy from the sun is increasing, why is the temperature on Venus (closest to the sun you know? Of cource you dont) not rising?

Well, if that is your best evidence, then its time for you to switch sides and join our side. Unfortunately you need something at least resembling a normal intelligence level to understand the basics behind global warming, so you might feel a tad missplaced here with us.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Hortlund

Dear God, this stuff was debunked 6 months ago, and we still have people around coming up with this anus of an argument.

Sticking one's fingers in one's ears and shouting naa naa naa may count as debunking among some but not for everyone.

[john9001]

Originally posted by Hortlund


 Unfortunately you need something at least resembling a normal intelligence level to understand the basics behind global warming, so you might feel a tad missplaced here with us. [/B]

hortland, just post the facts and stop insulting people.

[straffo]

Originally posted by AKIron
Sticking one's fingers in one's ears and shouting naa naa naa may count as debunking among some but not for everyone.

well if it work for Lazs , shouldn't it work for every one ? (except the women of course !)

[AKIron]

Originally posted by john9001
hortland, just post the facts and stop insulting people.

Emotion does seem to be trait among the GW faithful.