General Climate Discussion

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Angus
AFAIK, the N-Polar cap is as it never was for 20 million years. That is very much more time than humans were about.

Originally posted by Angus
Anyway, they're leaving.
Here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_of_glaciers_since_1850#Greenland
Not sure if the 20 mi number comes from "Icecap at all", since the planet sometimes roll around a little, but here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_ice_packs

"The Arctic Sea has not been ice free for a period of at least one million years, and probably much longer"

That belongs to the Arctic where it is.

Here they go down to 40 million years, as a notch to the cooling period starting, but hell didn't freeze over in a day...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_history

"On longer time scales, sediment cores show that the cycles of glacials and interglacials are part of a deepening phase within a prolonged ice age that began with the glaciation of Antarctica approximately 40 million years ago. This deepening phase, and the accompanying cycles, largely began approximately 3 million years ago with the growth of continental ice sheets in the Northern Hemisphere."

Southern Ice cap cores go back 600,000 years, but the graph om the Wiki page for the Ngrip-Epica Greenland cores goes back 1.4 E 5 (140,000) years.

So we no nothing of the northern polar sea ice past 1 million years... and Greenland Ice cores go back 140,000

That only leaves 19 million of your 20 million number unaccounted for, and directly contradicted by the ""The Arctic Sea has not been ice free for a period of at least one million years, and probably much longer"" phrase.

[Angus]

Well, if the N-sea ice pops away within one promille of it's existence (BTW, if you work with freezing conditions you'd be surprized how long it takes to melt something that freezes quickly), - I'd say that was news. You can post as much as you like, but a million year old cluster-ice-sea disappearing in a lifespan of a human isn't exactly the norm, now is it?
(Nor does it point to no-warming)

[Holden McGroin]

Just pointing out that when somebody (even a climate scientist) says "this is the worst it's ever been" you are most probably hearing a personal comment rather than a scientifically provable fact.

One should be careful with such statements.

[Terror]

Probably posted before, but "Global Warming: Greatest Scam in History" By John Coleman, Founder of the Weather Channel

He is just a lowly TV Meteorologist, but seems to have a good handle on things...

T

[AKH]

Originally posted by lazs2
akh... so you admit that I am right in that one fire puts out more co2 than all the cars and LIGHT trucks in America?  put out the damn fire if co2 is such a big deal to you.

No - I was pointing out that you said "ONE fire", whereas the link says "the Chinese fires" - i.e. ALL of them.  Pretty basic English comprehension, really.

now.. lets see if I can get you to be a teensy bit honest...  hard for a right-wing paranoid nutjob I know but... I'll give it a shot...


What was all your talk of water vapor and mans contribution to it and how it was a powerful greenhouse gas and all if you really don't think we are having any significant effect on water vapor?

 
Wow, you really do have a problem understanding what people say, don't you. For the third time, that wasn't me.

Do you admit that we are having no significant effect on water vapor?

Actually, no.  The reasoning behind this has already been pointed out to you by others.  Do us all a favour and review the thread.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by lazs2

 I asked you how man made water vapor was contributing...

No, you didnt. What you said was that "there is no man made water vapor". I proved you wrong. Again.

Your reaction to this is to lie, pretend you didnt read/understand what was said, and then repeat your already disproven lie. Just as you always do. Because that is the only way for someone on your side to have an argument...lie, distort facts, make s hit up, grab quotes out of context and pretend they say something they dont..etc. Which is why I consider you to be about the worst dishonest scum there is.

[Angus]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Just pointing out that when somebody (even a climate scientist) says "this is the worst it's ever been" you are most probably hearing a personal comment rather than a scientifically provable fact.

One should be careful with such statements.

"Ever" is not the issue. But in millions of years is. And I pointed out the facts, as close as researchers can get to them. And I live nearby. Have you been to Greenland? Have you sailed along the Ice, w of the Denmark strait? (Near to where HMS Hood was sunk)? Because I have....

[AKIron]

You greenies pushing to invade China or just whine to the US about it?

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/06/mnp_estimates_t.html

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by AKIron
You greenies pushing to invade China or just whine to the US about it?

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/06/mnp_estimates_t.html

In a world of global warming, its not acceptable that the two largest polluters stand in a corner pointing a finger at eachother, refusing to do anything as long as the other one is not doing anything. China has to cut down on pollution, as does the US, as does Europe. So f uck off.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Hortlund
In a world of global warming, its not acceptable that the two largest polluters stand in a corner pointing a finger at eachother, refusing to do anything as long as the other one is not doing anything. China has to cut down on pollution, as does the US, as does Europe. So f uck off.

Has to cut down on polution? And your little country is going to make anyone do anything?

Don't go away mad....

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by AKIron
Has to cut down on polution? And your little country is going to make anyone do anything?
 

Nah, not just us, the EU will.

Most probably what will happen if you try to do another Kyoto-bail-out is some sort of trade dispute. But its doubtful that will happen since the political landscape even in your retarded nation is swinging towards awareness of global warming and understanding of the need to take action.

Present company excluded of cource, you guys wont ever understand. Which is why its a good thing you are just a couple of white trash morons without any real influence.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Hortlund
Nah, not just us, the EU will.

Most probably what will happen if you try to do another Kyoto-bail-out is some sort of trade dispute. But its doubtful that will happen since the political landscape even in your retarded nation is swinging towards awareness of global warming and understanding of the need to take action.

Present company excluded of cource, you guys wont ever understand. Which is why its a good thing you are just a couple of white trash morons without any real influence.

You have some issues there bud. If throwing around the ad-hominems here stops you from beating your wife it's ok with me.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by AKIron
You have some issues there bud. If throwing around the ad-hominems here stops you from beating your wife it's ok with me.

The only issues I have is with the ignorance and pure stupidity displayed by you and lasz. I honestly did not think that ignorant people existed in real life, unfortunately I was wrong.

Im not married, but given your white trash status I can understand why wife-beating is something that you can relate to.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Hortlund
Im not married....

Kids then? Hit me again if it saves them a slap or two.

[lazs2]

Oh come on now... this is getting pretty weak....

What does it take to pin you lefties down??  Like arguing with a woman.

Yes... we can make water vapor.   and yes it is an insignificant amount so far as the total greenhouse gas.

Now... if you admit that then there is no need to talk of man made water vapor again... I have no idea why you guys brought it up.

And....

If you read it one way then ALL the fires in china are more than all of mans co2 contribution "According to this Coal Fire website. The highest estimate is 2% to 3% of global Fossil Fuel Co2 emissions are from the China coal fires."

either way... the coal fires in all the world are somewhere between as much as all of mans contribution to co2 to many times more our contribution.

If you are not talking about ending the fires or you don't want to end eating meat then you are not serious about the "problem" but only have a political agenda.

That is why you can't argue with me crock-it... I would suggest that rather than hear the facts you simply go back to your little circle of hand wringing socialist friends and pat each other on the back for moving a few miles closer to work and scolding everyone else.

Don't do the research and you won't be unhappy like hortlund.

lazs