General Climate Discussion

[AKH]

The Mann hockey stick has not been discredited - that's just wishful thinking by deniers.

Bob Carter is a laughing stock.
link

His grasp of climatology is about as sound as Monckton's, a journalist who opines:

a very modern notion that you need paper qualifications to pronounce on anything and it comes from the socialist idea that people need to be trained in the official, accepted, dogmatic truths.

He then has the audacity to accuse such qualified professionals of being amateurs.

In the end, the obvious response to Christopher Monckton is to ask why he doesn’t submit his arguments to a scientific journal for publication. After all, this is how science progresses, with new ideas being subject to the scrutiny of scientists via the route of publication in the scientific literature. If he is right that thousands of scientists in half a dozen different disciplines have got it all wrong, the potential rewards for him are enormous; a Nobel prize for overturning a large chunk of atmospheric physics and a Fellowship of the Royal Society are both almost guaranteed. The obvious reason why he doesn’t do this is that he secretly knows that his arguments lack credibility and wouldn’t pass the peer review required by mainstream scientific journals.

Back onto the one coal fire in China rubbish?  

That's all we get from you - the same disproved factoids, over and over again.

[AKH]

The range of climatic changes anticipated in the United States – from rising sea levels to stronger and more frequent storms and extreme temperature events – will have real impacts on the natural environment as well as human-made infrastructures and their ability to contribute to economic activity and quality of life. These impacts will vary across regions and sectors of the economy, leaving future governments, the private sector and citizens to face the full spectrum of direct and indirect costs accrued from increasing environmental damage and disruption.

The US Economic Impacts of Climate Change and the Costs of Inaction

[AKH]

Agreement was reached after a U-turn from the US, which had wanted firmer commitments from developing countries.

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With delegates anxious to make a deal and catch aeroplanes home, the US delegation announced it could not support the amended text.

A chorus of boos rang out. And a member of Papua New Guinea's delegation told the US: "If you're not willing to lead, please get out of the way."

Shortly after, the US delegation announced it would support the revised text after all.

That sounds like a real victory...

[Toad]

Originally posted by Louis XVII
Hmm, the programme also went on  

This from a fellow livingin Derry, ME?

Who used to use "hmm" a lot?

What US person spells "program" as "programme"?

Shades......... who needs them?

[Angus]

Now, first we had no global warming happening. Then it was a natural swing. Then it was all a fake, actually a cooling period. Then it was pointless anyway because it also warmed in the medievals. Then repeate the last 3 lines in an almost closed loop. Then it was actually warming, but because of the chinamen. And now we are back to the medeavals. And back to Singer who sings the song. And then it's cold again, and what next? China?

MEDIC!!!!

[Maverick]

We really should have recognized him earlier since he used his own portrait for an avatar.

[Angus]

Oh we can't do a thing?
I think we have the negative power to turn the planet into a very bad place to live on.
Since we can do it to growing areas, it's just a question about effort....

[Louis XVII]

Originally posted by Toad
Who used to use "hmm" a lot?

What US person spells "program" as "programme"?

Shades......... who needs them?

I didn't say that. I think you misquoted.

No shades required -

<--- contact lens wearer

[Donzo]

Originally posted by Louis XVII
...but we sure as hell can do something about the billions of tonnes of CO2 we create, much of which gets dissolved into the oceans, much to the detriment of ocean borne micro organisms that are responsible for sustaining all life on this planet.

Looks like it's time to pay some third world country to plant trees, after all that's what big Al does.

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by lazs2
moray..  are you saying that there was no little ice age or medievel warm period as man shows on his laughable hockey stick?   even the UN left it out of their latest report.  Watch bob carters video that was linked here to see how silly the hockey stick is.. I can't believe you are still thinking that is legit.



lazs

I am saying exactly what I said... Mann's "Hockey Stick Graph"

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by lazs2
moray..  are you saying that there was no little ice age or medievel warm period as man shows on his laughable hockey stick?   even the UN left it out of their latest report.  Watch bob carters video that was linked here to see how silly the hockey stick is.. I can't believe you are still thinking that is legit.



lazs

I am saying exactly what I said before, and what you denialists won't actually READ.. Mann's Hockey Stick WAS NOT discredited.

 Do you look at anything on a real scientific site, or do you just pick and choose what site you know already agrees with your BIAS.? The following quotes are from after the whole "discredited" issue came up.
What you fail to mention is that when it was claimed as discredited, the issue was a statistical error that DIDN'T EVEN CHANGE THE SHAPE OF THE GRAPH.


"The panel published its report in 2006.[29] The report agreed that there were statistical shortcomings in the MBH (Mann Hockey Stick) analysis, but concluded that they were small in effect
The National Research Council publication constituted a "near-complete vindication for the work of Mann et al.";[32] Nature (journal) reported it as "Academy affirms hockey-stick graph."


Lazs... you are fluff'n dense.

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by lazs2
the expression...  "you can't do anything about the weather"  was, and is correct.

Mother nature will smack these arrogant alarmist fools in the butt.

lazs

Amazing... she trolls and you rise to the bait, Lazs.  Too predictable, old man.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Louis XVII
But the US has just capitulated in Bali after years of GWB heel digging...

Sea levels? Well that's one consideration for climate change. Acidification of the oceans would be a key concern. I just watched a science documentary about climate change etc. There was a lake in Canada somewhere which had no currents, no circulation. And a small temperature increase in the water had led to the near extinction of one particular species of jellyfish there. The lesson here is that we can't just dump on organisms lower down the food chain. Man made CO2 output is now higher than at any time since man evolved, and the CO2 dissolvinginto the oceans is causing a lowering of their pH - acidification - which is adversely affecting the oceans' algae. Pfft you might say. Who cares about algae? Who cares about jellyfish? Hmm, the programme also went on to explain that those algae create about 70% of the oxygen in the earth's atmosphere!

That's funny... the BBS thinks you said exactly that.

Shades....... how boring.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Interesting!  How many people here think sea levels would rise if all the sea ice melted?

LOL, you anti-evironment creeps never fails to amuse. You will believe in anyone who says something you want to believe.

Nils-Axel Mörner, retired in 2005, famous for believing in earth radiation.

Earth radiation is a theoretical geophysical phenomenon described primarily by the German authors Manfred Curry and Ernst Hartmann. They both describe a mystic force field (similar to Odic force, Mana, Qi) that supposedly covers the earth at regular intervals and may be detected by dowsing using a divining rod. It is not supposed to be detectable by common scientific instruments but some still connect it to telluric currents, which are actual phenomena, detectable by scientific instruments.

Ok, so you would expect that to put a dent in his credibility. But there is more. Nils-Axel Mörner believes that "the Japanese pineapple-industry" is responsible for the predicament of the Tuvalu island in the Pacific (famous for becoming the first "nation" to sink in the ocean thanks to the rising sea levels).

Ok, so here we have the anti-environment crowd turning to a well known loon to support their position. Well, I should not be surprised, we all know that lasz is a complete lunatic. Of cource he will seek support among other retards.

[Angus]

Lazs:
"Gore says that a sea-level rise of up to 6 m (20 ft) will be caused by melting of either West Antarctica or Greenland. Though Gore does not say that the sea-level rise will occur in the near future, the judge found that, in the context, it was clear that this is what he had meant, since he showed expensive graphical representations of the effect of his imagined 6 m (20 ft) sea-level rise on existing populations, and he quantified the numbers who would be displaced by the sea-level rise"

The volume of the Greenland glacier is well measured, and it's melting fast. But it will take quite some time.
It would raise SL by 6 metres, ecen without melting totally, the volume is increased as soon as ice falls into the water.
Oh, and it happens at increased speed as it seems. I doubt we will see that on a disaster level in our lifetime, but some trouble will be there.
1 meter is a disaster in it self....