General Climate Discussion

[Donzo]

Originally posted by Angus
The volume of the Greenland glacier is well measured, and it's melting fast.

How fast is "fast"?  Can you be specific?

[lazs2]

bj said...

"For me this keeps coming back to: HOW much 'global warming' has happened thus far? ~ 1 degree since the automobile was invented....how much , if any, caused by us? Unknown

EVERYTHING ELSE isn't HAPPENING, it's merely PREDICTED to happen in the future by the SAME @#$ers who couldn't tell me at 9pm Tuesday I was gonna have an ice storm on the way to work Wednesday morning"

That about sums it up.. the co2 doubling that they are all telling us will end the planet is about 65% of the way through..   yet.. we have only 1 degree.. maybe a hundredth of that caused by us..  the predictions are just that... forced computer models... data on about 11 natural climate forcings of which they know very little and even less about how they interact.

The more co2 you add.. the less the effect.. the first 40 ppm has more effect than the next 300 ppm say... after that.. almost nothing.. it is like painting a window black to keep out the sun.. the first coat does the work.. the next 100 coats do very little.   If Co2 is affecting the weather.. it has shot it's wad already

as for louis... if he ain't beetle.. he is a good imitation.   guns scare him and he thinks the big bad Americans are making it too hot.

A whole on degree..  if we do everything the kyoto treaty wants... we may.. under the best scenario they can muster...  effect the temp a half a degree in 100 years.. for that.. we spend trillions.

lazs



Even the

[lazs2]

moray... as did you.

louis.. is "tonnes" anything like "tons"?

you can't do anything about the weather.

you can pollute the planet..   which would you guys like to talk about?

lazs

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by MORAY37
she trolls  

Teegerette troll?
Who would have thunk it?

[Donzo]

Originally posted by lazs2

Even the

Come on now Lazs, don't leave us hanging.

[lazs2]

it is a hoax as it is presented..  it is also a very small slice of time so far as the planet goes

http://www.john-daly.com/hockey/hockey.htm

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=11

http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~lambert/parody/tcs/

http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2007/10/30/arctic-sea-ice-another-hockey-stick/

I mean.. even the UN left the silly thing out of their last report...

lazs

[JBA]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=502563&in_page_id=1811


He is known as the "hard man"....Yvo de Boer.   Breaks down in big sobing tears over UN failure to come to an agreement.




Nice shirt you half-a-man.  Stop arguing like a child. My kids cry when they don't get their way. for crying-out-loud.

[Bodhi]

Man Made Global Warming is a farce.

[JBA]

Take a glass, fill it halfway with water, then add ice.

Mark the level, then wait for the ice to melt..

WOW!!! what do you know the level doesn’t change, Damn that physic stuff real dose work.

[crockett]

Originally posted by Bodhi
Man Made Global Warming is a farce.

So where is your proof? You right wingers always claim there is no proof of man made climate change. So where is your proof that counters what most of the worlds top scientists all agree on?

Don't bring up some crap about Venus or mars either. Lay it down if you know so much more than the worlds scientific community.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by crockett
So where is your proof?  

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WEATHER/12/23/winter.storm/index.html

http://www.mlive.com/news/citpat/index.ssf?/base/news-23/119790393239660.xml&coll=3

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7148300.stm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21942586/

http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=2460


Also:

From 2002 to 2006, scientists and researchers from NASA and the University of Washington's Polar Science Center at the Applied Physics Laboratory observed a meaningful ongoing reversal in Arctic Ocean circulation. The cause is atmospheric circulation changes that vary in decade-long periods and the effect is, well, let the scientist who led the study explain it:

"Our study confirms many changes seen in upper Arctic Ocean circulation in the 1990s were mostly decadal in nature, rather than trends caused by global warming," said the University of Washington's James Morison.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2007/11/19/abc-again-ignores-liberal-connections-global-warming-alarmists

[Donzo]

Originally posted by crockett
Don't bring up some crap about Venus or mars either. Lay it down if you know so much more than the parts of worlds scientific community that support my views.

Fixed.

[lasersailor184]

Please post some links of proof Rip.

[DiabloTX]

I wonder what size carbon-footprint was created flying all of those delegates to Bali?

[Donzo]

Originally posted by JBA
Take a glass, fill it halfway with water, then add ice.

Mark the level, then wait for the ice to melt..

WOW!!! what do you know the level doesn’t change, Damn that physic stuff real dose work.

Yes.

On a larger scale the level could actually go down.

Why?  

Because of the air trapped in the ice.  The air itself has a weight and this contributes to the overall weight of the ice.  This in turn displaces a certain volume of water.  When the ice melts the air escapes and it's contribution to the weight that displaced the water is gone so less is displaced.