General Climate Discussion

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by REP0MAN
Evidently it means that it's warm in South Florida in the Winter. Go Figure.

Daytona is a long way away from South Florida.  About the same distance from Miami (which is South Florida, sir) to Daytona, FL. as it is from Washington DC to Bridgeport, Connecticut.  (260 miles)

Correct me if I'm wrong... but the weather is just a bit different in those two places... and that is how it is conversely, with Daytona and Miami.  Two different weather regimes.... I've lived in both... and 80 degrees in December is not the norm in Daytona.

Avererage Daily Temperatures, US.
DAYTONA BEACH, FL                DEC.  70.4 F
MIAMI, FL                                DEC.   76.7 F

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by REP0MAN
Evidently it means that it's warm in South Florida in the Winter. Go Figure.

Part Two....

BRIDGEPORT, CT        DEC   41.0  F

WASHINGTON NAT'L AP, D.C.       DEC   47.0

[lazs2]

Ok.. now I get it... if it is too hot or too cold.. that is mans fault but if it is just right.. that is just a glitch.

It was a perfect day yesterday... most of the year has been better than average.. the summer was not too hot.. about low average.. the fall has been as good as I could ask for.

are not those things our fault too?   Most of us have had some of the best weather of our lives...

If that is our fault then I say we deserve a big pat on the back... I think that would be arrogant in the extreme tho.

moray.. are you saying there are less trees in the US than say... 100 or 200 years ago?

I guess we agree on the kyoto etc. treaties tho.. they will do nothing for what they cost.   course... we think so for different reasons.. I think it is a waste of time.. a complex solution for a nonexistent problem.. while you think it is simply "too late".    either way.. kick back and enjoy mother natures good graces in the weather lately.



lazs

[bj229r]

~1 degree, 100 years...is that incorrect?

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by lazs2
Ok.. now I get it... if it is too hot or too cold.. that is mans fault but if it is just right.. that is just a glitch.

It was a perfect day yesterday... most of the year has been better than average.. the summer was not too hot.. about low average.. the fall has been as good as I could ask for.

are not those things our fault too?   Most of us have had some of the best weather of our lives...

If that is our fault then I say we deserve a big pat on the back... I think that would be arrogant in the extreme tho.

moray.. are you saying there are less trees in the US than say... 100 or 200 years ago?




lazs

Am I saying that?  UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YES.  There are less trees in the world, let alone the united states than there were 100 or 200 years ago... I can't even fathom how you will say there are more.

See what you miss is this... yes climate changes...but over time.  Not in a generation or even 20 generations.  No, it's not always our fault... this time it is, though.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by MORAY37
See what you miss is this... yes climate changes...but over time.  Not in a generation or even 20 generations.  

I think you'll find many, if not all, scientists completely disagreeing with you.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/10/061004180029.htm

[REP0MAN]

Originally posted by MORAY37
Daytona is a long way away from South Florida.  About the same distance from Miami (which is South Florida, sir) to Daytona, FL. as it is from Washington DC to Bridgeport, Connecticut.  (260 miles)

Correct me if I'm wrong... but the weather is just a bit different in those two places... and that is how it is conversely, with Daytona and Miami.  Two different weather regimes.... I've lived in both... and 80 degrees in December is not the norm in Daytona.

Avererage Daily Temperatures, US.
DAYTONA BEACH, FL                DEC.  70.4 F
MIAMI, FL                                DEC.   76.7 F

Having never been to, nor had it hold me attention for more than 15 seconds, Floridian geography is truly not my strength. Forgive me.

I do know that it's currently 56˚ in Phoenix. In August it will be 115˚. Seems normal to me. Must be an East Coast thing?



(please tell me satire is not wasted here?)

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by REP0MAN
Having never been to, nor had it hold me attention for more than 15 seconds, Floridian geography is truly not my strength. Forgive me.

I do know that it's currently 56˚ in Phoenix. In August it will be 115˚. Seems normal to me. Must be an East Coast thing?



(please tell me satire is not wasted here?)

Lol... no satire is not wasted...

Especially when you use it to smack down someone commenting on this thread, who says it's 80 in Daytona, and you admit in the next post you have no idea what you're talking about.

Otherwise known as the "Lazs School of Reason"

[lazs2]

The real data (satellite) shows that there has been no real problem for the last 20 years here in the states.. the weather stations that show some small heating have been shown to be in sad shape and not accurate..  

So.. the US is protected by god... we are special.   but..

No one on the planet has been affected badly by the heat.. it is much worse to be cold.. many more die in the cold than the heat.

What is funny is that I have been taking rainfall and temp and even wind readings for 15 years (and see the data for a lot longer)for the state where I work.. the numbers go up and down... sometimes we have hot years sometimes cold.. sometimes low rainfall sometimes high..

We use excel so have an average.   the only thing certain is that the chance of any temp or rain or anything making the mythical "average" is remote.

Another thing.. they take this "average"  then they tell us it too hot in the summer although no one seems to be affected..  but.. that it is extremely cold in the winter yet... the "average" is a warming trend.. it would have to be 10 degrees hotter every day for months to make the average year hotter if it was 10 degrees colder in the winter.. silly.

then.. we are told that any extreme climate is our fault.   if all weather is our fault then a good indian summer must be our fault too?  

Every day of good weather is our fault too?   If that is the case then I am saying we are doing a pretty good job cause the weather has been gorgeous this year.

is there someone here who has suffered in some way that is radical?  unprecedented?    froze in summer or had their house catch fire from the heat in summer?   hurricanes and tornado season that is extreme?  unprecidented?   1950.. 6 tornados all converged on one little town in arkansas..  any of you have this happen lately?      

What bad things are happening to us?  people are enjoying the natural warm spell.. crops are up 15% from increased C02 ... the only doom and gloom is in a computer readout.


lazs

[Chairboy]

Originally posted by lazs2
What bad things are happening to us?  people are enjoying the natural warm spell.. crops are up 15% from increased C02 ... the only doom and gloom is in a computer readout.


lazs

I understand that it was easy to find a great table in the lounge of the Titanic in that final hour too.

Again, Lazs, you can do better.  Are you a shill for the global warming advocates?

[bj229r]

I repeat, what quantifiable warming has happened thus far?

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by lazs2
The real data (satellite) shows that there has been no real problem for the last 20 years here in the states.. the weather stations that show some small heating have been shown to be in sad shape and not accurate..  

So.. the US is protected by god... we are special.   but..

No one on the planet has been affected badly by the heat.. it is much worse to be cold.. many more die in the cold than the heat.  


lazs

You just wrote that?  "The US is protected by god"?  You are more of a nutjob than I gave credit, if you are actually using that in the discussion, in a serious manner.  How neo-con can you get.... I guess everything is now attributable to god, in your book.  I sure hope God doesn't read your posts.... It'll know it's time to push the reset button for sure.

I think you should look in the numbers of heat related deaths, worldwide, and see who isn't being affected...  Europe has had a decade of incredibly deadly summers.  Now you'll say "it's just the elderly and sick..."  I suggest you look up the human body's heat tolerance....you may be in for a surprise.

No, everything is not man's fault... but in the lack of any sort of credible information to the contrary... THIS is.  You can't expect to change the consistency of the atmosphere and the makeup of the fauna in the planetary biota in 200 years and think that things won't change.  You have your head in the wrong book, sir.

[lazs2]

so chair.. if things are ever going well it just means that we are fooling ourselves?  that it always becomes a disaster?  that every ship that set a table ended up hitting an iceberg and sinking?

Or perhaps you are saying that a group of scientists told the titanic owner that at the exact time an iceberg would hit the titanic and sink it?    

I don't get your reasoning.    We have about half the scientists saying that they don't believe in a man made catastrophe do to warming by co2 and only about 7% that are true believers.   yet..  that is good enough for you?

The computer models are good enough for you?    even tho they aren't telling us what will happen this winter or next summer or 5 years from now?  even tho they have been "adjusted" to less spectacular and sensational predictions dozens of times already?

Even tho.. nothing bad is happening right now because of this normal and natural warming period....no matter how much they try to make it seem so?

The truth is.. mother nature will put us into a cold cycle soon enough and then we will see real suffering and..   there won't be a damn thing we can do about it.

What your example of the titanic says to me is different than what it says to you ... it was the "scientists" arrogance that sunk it.. the feeling that they were better than nature.. that they were unsinkable and that they controlled the weather and what it brought.

And that was tiny compared to the arrogance that says we control the actual weather.

lazs

[lazs2]

moray..  well..  if our data is not the same as the world.. if we are having normal weather then what else could it be?  we are such producers of co2 yet... god loves us and simply gives us good weather while the rest of the world boils to death...  oh.. well.. maybe they really aren't boiling to death but they have gone up a half a degree...never mind that is less than the margin of error.

and.. sure...  I will buy that things will be different in 200 years...or not..  not our call if it is only weather changes tho.. that is mother natures call... Nothing we can do about it.   We certainly can't predict what the weather in 200 years will be like.   every disaster prediction we have ever made about anything has always turned out to be a WHYTOOOKAY crapola alarmist BS.

Admit it.. we don't have a clue as to what next summers weather will be much less 5 years from now.   50 years from now? LOL  the models can't predict the past without constant adjustment.  

even if you bought into it.. you couldn't do a damn thing about it.. not unless you think there is some magic co2 level that we must maintain and that once we do that... the weather will just stay at some arbitrary "average" forever?

lazs

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by lazs2


Or perhaps you are saying that a group of scientists told the titanic owner that at the exact time an iceberg would hit the titanic and sink it?

Even tho.. nothing bad is happening right now because of this normal and natural warming period....no matter how much they try to make it seem so?

What your example of the titanic says to me is different than what it says to you ... it was the "scientists" arrogance that sunk it.. the feeling that they were better than nature.. that they were unsinkable and that they controlled the weather and what it brought.


lazs

Hmm.... maybe you could get the story straight... engineers build ships, Lazs.  Engineers said that the Titanic was unsinkable... actually one said that.

And HALF, HALF.... of the scientists don't believe in AGW????  UNBELEIVABLY NOT EVEN CLOSE

Keep pulling sht outta your azzz.