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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2007, 06:14:03 PM »
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i have a lare stack of  CDs. i buy CDs, because i cannot stand the piss-poor quality of downloaded music.

"If there would be a legal subscription based music service without DRM crapola I would most likely sign up and see what fits for me.  is"

last.fm has a very nice  radio function.


The whole thing about OINK.CD was that they had standards on music quality, so nothing could be uploaded that wasn't 192 KBPS or better, and most people would upload at 320. It was quite nice.

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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2007, 06:47:46 PM »
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i think everyone, well at least a large portion of the people want the physical part of the cd, the leaftlets/artwork/cool cover art/ and easily cracked jewel case.


There was more stuff in the albums back in the days of vinyl.

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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2007, 01:38:37 AM »
Yep, and you can download vinyl quality MP3's on oink.... or you used to be able to.

o'well

i just feel kinda betrayed cause i dont want to go to myspace to find music that i'm unsure about before purchasing... cause myspace sucks.

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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2007, 01:53:55 AM »
The record companies duping bands into ****y contracts and putting out ****ty albums is no excuse for theft.


One wrong does not make another right.

I know some of you need to believe the justifications though,  prolly so you can still look yourselves in the face in the mirror.

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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2007, 02:30:53 AM »
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Hello,

My name is Gristle and I'm a thief.



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« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2007, 02:36:25 AM »
You can window dress it all you want, it still doesn't change the fact that those that illegaly download copyrighted material, whether it be music or software are nothing more than thieves.  You may think it's not because you're not holding anyone at the point of the gun and it seems relatively harmless to you, a virtual victimless crime.  But it's not.  People make those CDs, from the recording artist to the guy that presses the CD.  By stealing, you are taking money from them.

Maybe if you guys were affected by this then you'd have a different attitude.  


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« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2007, 03:27:24 AM »
I used to download/steal alot of music some years ago, but i got tired of the varying quality and not seeing the cd collection growing. Now i buy all my music on cd again and rip them to the harddrives. I have almost filled 2 500gb harddrives and still have many cd's to go before im done. I rip em im full uncompressed quality so one TB of music is not as much as it sounds :)

Im actually thinking about getting one of those Windows Home Server boxes to store it all in when they start to ship in my language in january.

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« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2007, 03:29:16 AM »
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The record companies duping bands into ****y contracts and putting out ****ty albums is no excuse for theft.


One wrong does not make another right.

I know some of you need to believe the justifications though,  prolly so you can still look yourselves in the face in the mirror.


Meh I do plenty of other 'illegal' things all the time, like driving over the speed limit, not putting parking money in the meter, and so on. Trying to make me feel guilty about denying some RIAA/movie executive a small portion of his weekly crack fix isn't going to work :)  especially when I am aware of illegal practises that industry partakes in such as price fixing. Besides R5 proves piracy works.

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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2007, 03:41:14 AM »
Look i am a musician, i write my own music, and am shopping a demo cd now to record labels. So i have a vested interest in this. I don't agree with pirating music. It's stealing point blank. I know how hard it is to get any recognition for what you do. I have limewire, and i use that to check out bands i've heard of, but don't have the money to go buying their cd's only to find i don't like them. Once i find a band i like i find what record it's on and buy the record. I've gotten turned on to a few bands like this and became a paying customer. It's people who rip everything without buying i don't get.

I didn't understand why people started hating Metallica because of the Napster thing. Napster shouldn't have been stealing their stuff or anyone elses, period. Lars Ulrich says he got pissed at Napster because they were working on an unfinished song in the studio and before they were through with it, it was up on Napster free, unfinished. That's total rape of someones hard work. There was nothing wrong Metallica defending themselves. The only people against it were the snot-nosed little brats who were stealing peoples music for free.

All in all the music industry, needs to be changed. It's like a popularity system in high school it's completly stupid. Allot of the times the most talented people don't get chosen but the most superficial ones get chosen, because of this. That is why music sucks today. Quantity over quality, surface over substance. They don't pick any Pink Floyd's anymore. Instead they get Pink Floyd's sisters cousin's boyfriend. I've gotten through to Marilyn Manson's manager in California recently, Syndyck and Leonard Co, but it took me lying and cheating just to get through.  But the music industry needs to be changed and learn to adapt to to this.

And now for a shameless plug, check out my music on http://www.myspace.com/groovegrinder and tell me what you think.

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« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2007, 08:23:34 AM »
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I used to download/steal alot of music some years ago, but i got tired of the varying quality


Yanno what amuses me. Is the amount of radio stations that download songs "of various quality"

I can honestly say that while I've downloaded music. I've downloaded very few songs I havent already owned.
and the ones I didnt own that I've downloaded are typically old and obscure songs you just cant find anywhere for sale.

But I've found the same thing.
Download one song and maybe the drums might be missing.
Another song and something else is eithe missing or partially drowned out.


to get back to my original statement I can site one example.
A few years ago I heard a radio station playing the song " Eight Days A Week" by The Beatles.
You could hear the insumentals fine. But the voices were barely legible.
The funny thing was I had downladed the same song a week earlier and had the same exact thing. I had to try 4 diferent times before I was able to get a decent version.

Its funny cause I could have told you at the time exactly whom they downloaded it from.

By and large As I have said I've only downloaded songs I have already paid for.
Its just easier to DL 3-4 songs at a time then it is to go through my entire collection to pick out one or two songs off each.

Anything I want I pretty much already have and I havent DL'ed any in a long while.
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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2007, 08:26:51 AM »
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I used to download/steal alot of music some years ago, but i got tired of the varying quality and not seeing the cd collection growing. Now i buy all my music on cd again and rip them to the harddrives. I have almost filled 2 500gb harddrives and still have many cd's to go before im done. I rip em im full uncompressed quality so one TB of music is not as much as it sounds :)

Im actually thinking about getting one of those Windows Home Server boxes to store it all in when they start to ship in my language in january.



but but, dont you know that the arugments the RIAA and company are using now, you hav no right to copy that CD and if you  do you are as "bad" as the kid getting his b spears  and radiohead  off a torrent. Hell listen to your music at work loud enough for someone else to hear and that is theft by their thinking also.

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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2007, 08:32:53 AM »
RIAA has no authority over here. Norwegian law states that you can copy any music or movies you have purchased for your own personal use. :)

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« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2007, 08:33:39 AM »
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Look i am a musician, i write my own music, and am shopping a demo cd now to record labels. So i have a vested interest in this. I don't agree with pirating music. It's stealing point blank. I know how hard it is to get any recognition for what you do. I have limewire, and i use that to check out bands i've heard of, but don't have the money to go buying their cd's only to find i don't like them. Once i find a band i like i find what record it's on and buy the record. I've gotten turned on to a few bands like this and became a paying customer. It's people who rip everything without buying i don't get.

I didn't understand why people started hating Metallica because of the Napster thing. Napster shouldn't have been stealing their stuff or anyone elses, period. Lars Ulrich says he got pissed at Napster because they were working on an unfinished song in the studio and before they were through with it, it was up on Napster free, unfinished. That's total rape of someones hard work. There was nothing wrong Metallica defending themselves. The only people against it were the snot-nosed little brats who were stealing peoples music for free.

All in all the music industry, needs to be changed. It's like a popularity system in high school it's completly stupid. Allot of the times the most talented people don't get chosen but the most superficial ones get chosen, because of this. That is why music sucks today. Quantity over quality, surface over substance. They don't pick any Pink Floyd's anymore. Instead they get Pink Floyd's sisters cousin's boyfriend. I've gotten through to Marilyn Manson's manager in California recently, Syndyck and Leonard Co, but it took me lying and cheating just to get through.  But the music industry needs to be changed and learn to adapt to to this.

And now for a shameless plug, check out my music on http://www.myspace.com/groovegrinder and tell me what you think.

Thanks Ledpig.


I hear what your saying about already established successful bands
But you can look at the flipside too though.

For someone like you who Im guessing hasnt had alot of success in marketing your music. This is an opportunity to get some of it out there for the masses to hear.

Look at some of your music being downloaded not as theft but marketing.
People hear your music and like it they are more inclined to want more of it.
and be willing ot pay for it.
But people cant like or want your music if its not out there for people to hear

I dont care what anyone says. Its REALLY hard to  consistantly find the kind of qualty sound you get on commerically manufactured CDs on these DL sites.
While its usually somethign minor. Somethig is usually missing, or not quite right.
And the only way to get the high quality stuff is to buy it.
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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2007, 10:48:52 AM »
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Meh I do plenty of other 'illegal' things all the time, like driving over the speed limit, not putting parking money in the meter, and so on. Trying to make me feel guilty about denying some RIAA/movie executive a small portion of his weekly crack fix isn't going to work :)  especially when I am aware of illegal practises that industry partakes in such as price fixing. Besides R5 proves piracy works.


I hope you do not extend that line of "reasoning" to your neighbors, but I dont't trust you not to.

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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2007, 11:58:06 AM »
Many of the comments here state how I feel in a way, if you combine them all.

LEADPIG, I'll start with you just because it is simplest. If you DL a song, even if you go buy it later the RIAA says you stole, and should be sued / in jail. That right there is part of the dilemma, and I don't have an answer to get around it.



Some here have mentioned downloading music because they don't want to pay $15 for a CD when they only like 2 songs. I completely agree with this, in fact it is one of my biggest complaints. Considering the cost to make a CD is less than 25¢ it is insulting to make the consumer pay $15. There was an article I remember that quoted the RIAA back years ago when CD's first came out. They promised the consumers the cost of CD's would be down below $10 in a year or two, and go even lower after that because the how cheap they were to make compared to albums and cassette tapes. Has that ever even come close to happening?

If the record companies weren't so greedy I'd be more interested in buying entire albums. As it stands the money they charge an artist for "recording time" "advertising" "distribution" and other bloated charges are just insane.



Here's a part some of you may not believe but it is totally true. Back in 1993 or 1994 when I was first learning about the internet and computers I came up with an idea. A friend had downloaded a MIDI file of some classical music and I thought WOW! I said to him "Wouldn't it be cool if you could download songs  1 at a time for 50¢ each?" This was in the first days of being about to burn CD's and I thought man I'd love to make my own CD. I was thinking of all the old songs I had on cassette that I wanted. I wanted only 2 or 3 songs from an old Whitesnake cassette but didn't want to spend $15 on the CD. I really did think of this concept years ago but knew next to nothing about computers or where to even begin with something like this. My dream was to patent the "idea" and go to Sony, BMG, so on, have them give me the songs, and I'd run the company that sells them. Sony, whoever would get 30¢ of every 50¢ song sold, and the rest would cover operating expenses. I figured there wasn't a huge market for those "old" albums, and they'd jump at the chance to make money off songs that weren't selling on CD. I also figured there were tons of other people who would love to get that "one special" old song on CD and not have to buy a $15 CD of stuff they didn't want at all.

Yes I really did think of this but had no clue where to begin.


Anyway I have always been "for" paying money for individual songs, and once that was a reality I thought wow this is cool.

Until I learned about the DRM garbage. I figure if I BOUGHT the songe once I should be able to play it wherever I want, and copy it for personal use whenever I want. Where it got really complicated is old songs I already owned. I must own 200 cassette tapes all bought years ago. I paid for those songs, and I should be able to have those in digital format if I'd like. since no one has come up with a realistic solution to cleanly convert them I have downloaded a bunch of them. There is no way I'm going to pay again for "Trixter - Give it to me Good" just to have some nostalgic hair band fun. I already own it, so I am going to download it if I can to have my digital copy. It is not a re-mix, or different version that someone took time to produce or something, it is the same song.


Well those are a few of my thoughts on this, I do have more but I am sick of typing lol.
I don't know what to put here yet.