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Offline cpxxx

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« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2007, 10:57:37 AM »
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I wish I could agree with you, really.  But to listenening to others bash the USA constantly has worn down my patience and tolerance over the last few years.


I hate USA bashing but then I hate country bashing of any description.  But Sarkozy complimented the USA. It should be taken in the spirit intended.

In any case, USA bashing isn't nearly as widespread as you think. I remember Americans who were part of a group who came over for a while to work in my IBM plant in Dublin. These were blue collar workers, some out of America for the first time. Some admitted they were nervous at first because they believed 'everyone hated Americans'. They were quite surprised that they weren't. It's a pity they ever thought that in the first place.

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« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2007, 11:39:21 AM »
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Oh please, you can't be serious?  Frances national cowardice is well documented, and not just in regard to Iraq.  It wasn't some moral high ground that kept them out of Iraq, it was Chiracs financial dealings with Saddam Hussein and Chiracs promises to protect him that was at the heart of their failure to support the UN, and the USA, the nation that twice had to step up and sacrifice it's sons on foreign shores to save the French.

Would you happen to remember Frances refusal to let American F111's overflight when they were on a mission to bomb Libya?  The US strikes did what was necessary to stop Libya from continuing on an accelerating course of terrorism, no thanks to the national cowardice of France.

Do some reading, you might start to learn, if you are not afraid to learn that is.

As far as "listening" to Eurotards, get real.  Europe is being taken over slowly by Muslims, and I fear the future for free and liberal countries in Europe is bleak.  In their desire to act all sensitive, liberal and accepting, they are being destroyed internally.  How is that working out for Denmark?  (hint: poorly)

No, Europe in a smaller way than France loves to act all superior trying to pretend they are still in power and have the prestige of years past, while instead they are nowhere near the position in world affairs they once were.  If in trouble, some nations will once again come begging to the US to save them.  I hope when that day comes we tell them to stick it up their collective asses.   Numerous countries in Europe have stood with us either in Afghanistan or Iraq, and that is both noted and appreciated, but France only focused on their greedy slimey agenda.

There you go,"do some reading "crap again.
First of all lets not bash France with "financial dealings with Saddam Hussein",USA's dealing with Iraq is known very well,after all Sadam was put in power with help of CIA,plus USA still delivers f14 spare parts to Iran,read about G6 or G7 sumit.USA is still on trial for violating the very same rulles or rights you keep yelling about.Thers actualy a lot more to it,maybe you should do some reading as well.
BTW,what is your problem with muslims?Since when they've become an enemy?
Oh and can anybody explane me why is Gerogian parlament is officialy on USA's payroll? laughed my butt off when you said "Europe in a smaller way than France loves to act all superior",its actualy the other way arround,lol.
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« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2007, 11:46:05 AM »
heck, haliburton still has contracts in iran.
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« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2007, 11:49:19 AM »
KgB=troll.

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« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2007, 02:31:45 PM »
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KgB=troll.

Very informing thank you.
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« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2007, 03:43:00 PM »
Y'know, there are good French, and there are bad French.  Just like there's good Americans and bad Americans.
There's frenchmen like Marquis de Lafayette, then there's Frenchmen like that murdering bugger who got owned by Napoleon soon after the French Revolution. (Forgot his name off the top of me head.)

Just like there are American's like Alvin York, and American's like Charles Manson.  


Same deal with politics and National policies, with an elected government some years you get good politicians and good men in office who make educated decisions and do the best they can.  Some years you get dirty, backstabbing power-hungry egomaniacs.
Mistakes get made and then good people get blamed for trying to fix them.
It takes less than 20 seconds to destroy a Nation's reputation for hard work, goodness, and equality... and decades to rebuild it all because of a few people.




Dago.  You're complaining that we don't need to justify ourselves to others.
Partly you're right, but mostly you're wrong.  Without the need to justify our actions and motivations to an audience outside our control, with what are we able to judge the rightness or wrongness of those actions and motivations?
Blind ignorance towards others is a very swift road to Vader-ville.
Even if we don't take their advice, criticism, or judgements to heart, we still need to hear it.  Otherwise we are no better than men like Hitler, Stalin, or Napoleon.

And I think that is what KGB is trying to get at.

I'm a college student here in Austin, TX.  Took an ethics course last semester and had the hardest time of it, being 1 of 3 conservatives in a classroom full of liberals.  Took me awhile, but after I really started listening to the other students, their criticisms of my views and my ethics... I didn't change, I just became smarter and better able to defend those views.  I took their most biased method of proving the War in Iraq as unjust and illegal and... with a great deal of research proved them wrong.


Even if we, as American's don't want to change our views of the world, don't want to listen to what the Europeans say we should do... we still need to listen, if only to better our arguments and reaffirm our resolve.



Now, can we stop mudslinging and start back on the topic of French politics.  That's actually something I'm interested in.  And I have a feeling this guy is going to do well... after all the French win when not lead by a Frenchman.:aok

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« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2007, 04:12:17 PM »
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And I think that is what KGB is trying to get at.


Yep.
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« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2007, 07:54:35 PM »
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Post 10 examples of US bashing  threads started a French poster and I'll believe you.

(no time limit you can start in 1999)


Maybe you need a life outside this one single forum.  Why don't you share with the members here the shows in France that denigrate the USA?  Why don't you speak of the way the USA is protrayed in French media?  Share the complete truth if you dare, but you won't, will you?
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« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2007, 08:39:03 PM »
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Maybe you need a life outside this one single forum.  Why don't you share with the members here the shows in France that denigrate the USA?  Why don't you speak of the way the USA is protrayed in French media?  Share the complete truth if you dare, but you won't, will you?

You cant handle the truth!:lol
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« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2007, 02:53:38 AM »
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Maybe you need a life outside this one single forum.  Why don't you share with the members here the shows in France that denigrate the USA?  Why don't you speak of the way the USA is protrayed in French media?  Share the complete truth if you dare, but you won't, will you?


Why don't you share with us in stead? Give us some examples of "American bashing" in French media. Since you brought it up you must have seen/heard something right?

However, the other way around the evidence is abundant:


http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/11/sprj.irq.fries/

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148011,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,78921,00.html


The truth is that you people are behaving like complete a-holes toward the French and sometimes Europeans in general.

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« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2007, 03:21:40 AM »
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Maybe you need a life outside this one single forum.  Why don't you share with the members here the shows in France that denigrate the USA?  Why don't you speak of the way the USA is protrayed in French media?  Share the complete truth if you dare, but you won't, will you?


I reiterate my question and I add one : give us 10 examples of mainstream (like Fox ,CNN etc) french media doing blatant US bashing.

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« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2007, 03:53:39 AM »
sheesh... the french must be doing something right to make the neo-cons froth so much.

straffo... it's your fault for financing their revolution...:lol

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« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2007, 04:26:31 AM »
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Why don't you share with us in stead? Give us some examples of "American bashing" in French media. Since you brought it up you must have seen/heard something right?

However, the other way around the evidence is abundant:


http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/11/sprj.irq.fries/

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148011,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,78921,00.html


The truth is that you people are behaving like complete a-holes toward the French and sometimes Europeans in general.


Some people just have to hide behind their monitor to belittle others to make them feel good about themselves. It seems the bigger the group they put down, the more insecure they seem with themselves and/or their country .
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« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2007, 04:46:56 AM »
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Some people just have to hide behind their monitor to belittle others to make them feel good about themselves. It seems the bigger the group they put down, the more insecure they seem with themselves and/or their country .


Yes, the way you belittle me and ignore my argument is very telling indeed.

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« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2007, 05:59:58 AM »
You guys are being knuckleheads.  It's the same in every country.

I will swear myself american (would have already if service in the US forces granted citizenship) sooner than later, but not because of some chauvinistic ideas.. Because the ideas the US is supposed to stand for, the intent of the founding fathers, are the things I most identify with.  Those things don't include pissing and whining about any other country.
Those things transcend that sort of folklore.

They're the sort of things that will live on long after we're off this planet.
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