Originally posted by Dux
I find it a bit odd that he says "I absolutely despise a 9mm for defensive situations... and a .380 as well." while in the that very same sentence he notes that "These are probably the two calibers I see most often on the autopsy table."
Based on that, they would seem to be effective enough if they're sending more people to the morgue than other calibers... or what is his point exactly?
Read carefully, as he clarifies the point several times. His point is that during a fair number of autopsies he has found that both the 380 and the 9MM FAILED TO PENETRATE and remain intact in several instances. Both rounds were seen to have either hit bone and deflect, or hit bone and break up, rather than penetrate and wreck major organs. Yes, after enough 9MM or 380 bullets are put in the subjects, they do eventually die. And the reason he sees that many dead people with 9MM and 380 in them is those are by far the most common rounds used by criminals.
This is the same complaint that the FBI had after the "Miami Shootout". In that particular case, it was not true, as the 9MM Silvertip in question, fired by SA Jerry Dove, did actually penetrate about 9-12 inches, and did do fatal damage. It's just that the two perps were adrenaline junkies and late for their own funerals. Unfortunately late enough that one of them killed Dove and Grogan before he died.
In that case, much like the "North Hollywood Shootout" the good guys were WAY outgunned. Much like it does not pay to bring a knife to a gun fight, it does not pay to bring a hand gun to a rifle/shotgun fight. In neither case did the good guys have rifles, few had shotguns, and none had body armor capable of defeating rifles.
The "Miami Shootout" is what brought on the 40 Short & Weak. The FBI had intended to adopt the 10MM, but recoil was a problem, at least a perceived problem, as was size. So Smith and Wesson shortened the 10MM to about the length as 9MM and the 40 Short & Weak was born.
