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Offline AKIron

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« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2007, 02:11:24 PM »
You've built a nice strawman there Neubob. How about coming back when you find some of these religious wackos in arms over this non-embryonic research?
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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2007, 02:18:50 PM »
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It's building human parts

It's undermining god's monopoly on the creation of living tissues



i think you will find that no one ever had a monopoly on creating living tissue. humans have been able to do it since before being able to speak, reproduction itself is the fresh ceation of living tissue. unless you want to try and convince me god is responsible for every birth on the planet.

thats not to mention the body's immune system, which creates new living tissue on an hourly basis.

It amazes me that we have taken this long to even start woking out more about how our bodys work in a chemical and biological sense.

we have spent about the last 4000 years developing incredible ways of destroying the flesh and only now we are breaking into the very basics of creating flesh artificialy.

Another thing we have excelled in is currency and marketing. today there is so much crap to buy and so many 'offer of a life time for those with money' incentives thrown in our faces that we forget what life is really about and we are happy with it. but its just a huge cycle of nothing exchanging hands for nothing in return for a nice set of nothings to soon go with our other nothings in a box in the garage. The top echelons of currency do allow some fantastic experiences for the ones who play the system best but the rest of the world gets stuck with junk and little wealth.

battery companies buying the rights to new forms of battery and burning them, so they can sell a less efficient but more profitable version.

Gillette, the best a man can get! and thats because we purchased the rights to a ceramic razor that would last years, buried them, and continued to sell you crap steel blades that need replacing every other day. HEY geuss what our brand new spanking razor is out, it is called the Gillette Mach 7 it has 13 blades for the closest shave ever yet. it vibrates to help cut your hair in one stroke so she will come up to you after you shave and stroke your face for you. it also have a built in nose hair clipper and can send e-mails........

what a time wasting race we have turned out to be. how many more thousand years before we devote all our progress to widespread positives instead of pin points of power pushing so much negative onto so many others.

consider this for a minute...

in five years we managed to progress war from ranks of meatballs charging each other with rifles and boyonets with little to no aerial support to dropping an atomic bomb from an untouchable super bomber.

yet we think that even after this many centuries of existance the slight possibilty of giving people replacement body parts is a breakthrough?
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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2007, 02:22:15 PM »
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You've built a nice strawman there Neubob. How about coming back when you find some of these religious wackos in arms over this non-embryonic research?


There're religious wackos out there who say that god hates America because America tolerates gays. Other religious wackos who don't let women show their faces in public.

I think I'll take my chances and assume that somewhere out there is a guy, either Christian, Muslim or of some other faith that chooses to use developments such as this as a demonstration that the end is near and hell is coming, and perhaps a call to action.

And I merely posed the question of what they will say. If anybody had said anything yet we'd be discussing that already. How about not getting offended on behalf of everyone just because I used the terms 'religious' and 'wacko' in one sentence.
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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2007, 02:27:10 PM »
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I have damaged nerves in my arm, stem cell research could lead to help for people like me much sooner, if not for the wackos getting in the way of science.  


Who's getting in the way of what science?

Do some research instead of listening to the rhetoric.  

You will find that nothing is getting in the way of adult stem cell research and it is here that discoveries/cures/advancements have been made, not with embryonic stem cell research (which is what I assume you are implying the wacko's are getting in the way of)

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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2007, 02:29:42 PM »
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How about not getting offended on behalf of everyone just because I used the terms 'religious' and 'wacko' in one sentence.


How about not using the terms "religious" and "wacko" in one sentence if you mearly wanted to pose a question as to what a group or groups might say about this breakthrough.


Ever think about that?

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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2007, 02:30:59 PM »
Come on Neubob, admit it. You think everyone who objects to embryonic stem cell research on moral principle is a "religous wacko". Tell me I'm wrong and I'll shutup.
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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2007, 02:36:57 PM »
How about this sentence?

"You must be a wacko to think that I meant this as a blanket shot against all religion."

Or this one:

"When I said religious wackos, I didn't mean that all religious people were wackos, I was refering to the worst of them."

Your knee jerk responses are a little silly, Donzo.

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« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2007, 02:41:11 PM »
You weren't specific so I'll take that as no, you're not a wacko for objecting to embryonic research on moral principle. Now I'll shutup.
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« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2007, 02:48:03 PM »
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You weren't specific so I'll take that as no, you're not a wacko for objecting to embryonic research on moral principle. Now I'll shutup.


Somebody who objects to it on personal moral principal I will simply disagree with. They feel it's wrong deep down inside, fine, that I cannot argue with. I think they're wrong, but that's just me.

A person who starts quoting scripture and reciting dogma in order to explain their fear of the technology is a wacko for letting the religion do his feeling, thinking and reasoning for him.

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« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2007, 02:49:52 PM »
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How about this sentence?

"You must be a wacko to think that I meant this as a blanket shot against all religion."

Or this one:

"When I said religious wackos, I didn't mean that all religious people were wackos, I was refering to the worst of them."

Your knee jerk responses are a little silly, Donzo.


No, your pathetic attempts at back-pedaling is what's a little silly.

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« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2007, 02:53:04 PM »
"It is the greatest inequality to try to make unequal things equal."-Aristotle

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« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2007, 02:53:48 PM »
Are you a whacko Donzo?
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« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2007, 03:01:33 PM »
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Are you a whacko Donzo?



I don't know Moot, you tell me.

What have I said that might make you think that?

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« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2007, 03:04:06 PM »
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No, your pathetic attempts at back-pedaling is what's a little silly.


Get over yourself Donzo.

If somebody's acting like a religious wacko, a religious wacko is what that person's gonna get called. Plain and simple. If you get offended, you're probably one yourself and I have no sympathy.

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« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2007, 03:11:31 PM »
How does my telling you whether you're a wacko or not have any bearing on whether you're actualy a whacko or not?
If you aren't one, then you aren't concerned with Neubob's wackos.. simple and transparent enough right?
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