What is a Militia?

[Bingolong]

Originally posted by Slash27
Been in many house fires have ya?

NORCO CA -- More than a million rounds of ammunition, numerous weapons and a tunnel were found in a man's home after a fire that exploded bullets and forced a neighborhood evacuation, authorities said Friday. Eppler said that when firefighters arrived he convinced McKiernan to come to the front of the house but the man didn't think they were doing a good enough job because they weren't hosing down the roof, and he tried to re-enter the home. After McKiernan was restrained and put in a police car, ammunition began exploding, Eppler said. The explosions forced evacuation of the area and kept firefighters at a distance. The blaze caused the roof to collapse before the fire was extinguished.
Tempe Arizona:
I live at the complex." and I was awoken by ammo going off it sounded like a war. The ammo was going off for a good two hours. What in hell would a man be doing with that much ammo? And the wepons were they for hunting? or for killing men? there is more to thise story then being told. i too live at this complex and was lying in bed talking to my 8 year old daughter when the ammo started going off right outside my window!! at first we weren't sure what is was then after about the 3rd or 4th shot, i grab my 3 kids (all under age 9), their shoes, and my cat and ran for cover. we barely made it out before the smoke from the fire filled my apartment since my windows were open. there is no feeling in the world like running b/c you're afraid a stray bullet is going to hit you!
ORTING, Wash. --
Firefighters took a defensive stance against a house fire near Orting after flames set off ammunition stored in the garage, firefighters said. Fire destroyed a house and two vehicles in the driveway at a gated development south of Orting. "Upon our arrival, we did a defensive attack for firefighter safety purposes. As the ammunition was continuing to go off we used a large hose and ground monitors to attack the garage and try to cool that down and stop that ammunition from going off," said Jesse Mitchell of Orting Valley Fire & Rescue. It wasn't clear how much ammunition was in the garage, but firefighters said a lot of rounds went off.

Listen at the end of this film
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsfwiRfvB80


Ummm ... no I have not ...why slash?

[lazs2]

ok... so a "million" rounds were being stored and everyone was "forced" to evacuate after the rounds cooking off killed and maimed..  how many firefighters and neighbors?

Oh wait.. that number would be.... zero.

But... I have no problem with city or state ordinances that call for safe storage of ammo past a reasonable amount.   1 million rounds would indicate sales.  A business in a residential area is already covered.

I have not found one case of people being killed or seriously injured by ammo stored for private use.

Contrast that with paint and gasoline and kerosene and any of a number of quite legal flammables.

You are going to have to do better if you want to make me give up keeping and bearing arms.

Oh..  I touched on the "gun owner that no longer owns guns" thing.   It is always interesting to see that and the reasons why.   they often taint the arguement... often it is because of a loved one who forces the issue.. the man then acts like he agrees.. and even argues with others.. in order to save his dignity.  

lazs

[lazs2]

Oh... I am going to my sons for a few days... It will be fun to see where this thread has morphed when I get back.

lazs

[Bingolong]

Originally posted by lazs2
ok... so a "million" rounds were being stored and everyone was "forced" to evacuate after the rounds cooking off killed and maimed..  how many firefighters and neighbors?

Oh wait.. that number would be.... zero.

But... I have no problem with city or state ordinances that call for safe storage of ammo past a reasonable amount.   1 million rounds would indicate sales.  A business in a residential area is already covered.

I have not found one case of people being killed or seriously injured by ammo stored for private use.

Contrast that with paint and gasoline and kerosene and any of a number of quite legal flammables.

You are going to have to do better if you want to make me give up keeping and bearing arms.

Oh..  I touched on the "gun owner that no longer owns guns" thing.   It is always interesting to see that and the reasons why.   they often taint the arguement... often it is because of a loved one who forces the issue.. the man then acts like he agrees.. and even argues with others.. in order to save his dignity.  

lazs

you simply said they did not explode and there was no danger
wrong again

Or maybe they break in and steal them all Eh? Including the gun safe mounted to the floor. Who has them now? The bad guys lazs. I suppose I was just arming the Militia:rofl

[Slash27]

Originally posted by Bingolong
NORCO CA -- More than a million rounds of ammunition, numerous weapons and a tunnel were found in a man's home after a fire that exploded bullets and forced a neighborhood evacuation, authorities said Friday. Eppler said that when firefighters arrived he convinced McKiernan to come to the front of the house but the man didn't think they were doing a good enough job because they weren't hosing down the roof, and he tried to re-enter the home. After McKiernan was restrained and put in a police car, ammunition began exploding, Eppler said. The explosions forced evacuation of the area and kept firefighters at a distance. The blaze caused the roof to collapse before the fire was extinguished.
Tempe Arizona:
I live at the complex." and I was awoken by ammo going off it sounded like a war. The ammo was going off for a good two hours. What in hell would a man be doing with that much ammo? And the wepons were they for hunting? or for killing men? there is more to thise story then being told. i too live at this complex and was lying in bed talking to my 8 year old daughter when the ammo started going off right outside my window!! at first we weren't sure what is was then after about the 3rd or 4th shot, i grab my 3 kids (all under age 9), their shoes, and my cat and ran for cover. we barely made it out before the smoke from the fire filled my apartment since my windows were open. there is no feeling in the world like running b/c you're afraid a stray bullet is going to hit you!
ORTING, Wash. --
Firefighters took a defensive stance against a house fire near Orting after flames set off ammunition stored in the garage, firefighters said. Fire destroyed a house and two vehicles in the driveway at a gated development south of Orting. "Upon our arrival, we did a defensive attack for firefighter safety purposes. As the ammunition was continuing to go off we used a large hose and ground monitors to attack the garage and try to cool that down and stop that ammunition from going off," said Jesse Mitchell of Orting Valley Fire & Rescue. It wasn't clear how much ammunition was in the garage, but firefighters said a lot of rounds went off.

Listen at the end of this film
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsfwiRfvB80


Ummm ... no I have not ...why slash?

Always use the extreme example and try to pass it off as normal.


And what am I supposed to be impressed by in the video exactly?

[Bingolong]

Originally posted by Slash27
Always use the extreme example and try to pass it off as normal.

Yes I guess every normal fire has amunition in it your right. It explodes goes off etc.... is the point.


And what am I supposed to be impressed by in the video exactly?

Good points

I found all your weapons bye the way:D
http://www.musictoyz.com/images/jpg/slash3.jpg

More extremes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AcVSEY2DP0

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1448175417903565701&q=hollywood++bank+robbery&total=65&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

[Maverick]

Bingalong,

There was a mythbuster episode that dealt with ammunition in a fire. Their experiments indicated while it ain't the most healthy thing to have in a fire, small arms ammo is also not the major hazard your opinion pieces have portrayed it. Bullets and brass will not have the energy and velocity anything like when it's fired in a gun. Lotsa noise but not that much danger from it.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by lazs2
arlo.. you are making a fool of yourself with your pitiful jon stewart imitation.

You have no point.  You have not explained why an M16 is not a good choice for some defensive situations..

Keep saying that to yourself over and over. Why don't you want me to want an M-16? Why can't you make up your mind whether you're onboard for the "one-man God-ordained M-16 militia program?" I still have never said I wanted to take away your toys, ma'am. Is it Pamprin time again at your place?

[Bingolong]

Originally posted by Maverick
Bingalong,

There was a mythbuster episode that dealt with ammunition in a fire. Their experiments indicated while it ain't the most healthy thing to have in a fire, small arms ammo is also not the major hazard your opinion pieces have portrayed it. Bullets and brass will not have the energy and velocity anything like when it's fired in a gun. Lotsa noise but not that much danger from it.

Well if it was on mythbusters

I guess i have to concede the militia part the afgan militia blew back the russky's right?

more extremes:
 ....and look here a few militia members blow up and invading armys ammo dump. I just wonder what small arms he is talking about? in the fire?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_8WMB2xomM&feature=related

[john9001]

the Russians left Afghanistan because of the length and cost of the war and the use of American stinger missiles by the afgans.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by john9001
the Russians left Afghanistan because of the length and cost of the war and the use of American stinger missiles by the (Taliban).

There's a lesson in that.

[Bingolong]

Originally posted by john9001
the Russians left Afghanistan because of the length and cost of the war and the use of American stinger missiles by the afgans.

you mean US govrenment backed the militia? hmmm think they might do the same here?

[Arlo]

Gawddam, W ... where's my M-16?!

[Bingolong]

Originally posted by Arlo
Gawddam, W ... where's my Stinger Missle!:D

Fixed

I mean were a militia right? at least as good as afgan's?

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by john9001
the Russians left Afghanistan because of the length and cost of the war and the use of American stinger missiles by the afgans.

                        Thats a little of a simplification. Its true the Russians started looking for a way out for numerous reasons, one of which was the cost of the war. But dont forget Russian politicians consistently short-changed their commanders in Afghanistan with sub-par units, equipment, and supply. Almost all their top motor-rifle divisions stayed on station looking at NATO.

                     What did work was their Spetsnaz units, or special forces. But most of their other combat units weren't worth a damn.

                    And its true that we Yanks supplying stingers to the Mujahadeen was a big factor too. What that did was lessen the threat of Russian air power and Helicopters. Tactical air power was very effective for the Russians and the stingers changed the equation considerably. I would not however say it was "the reason " the Russians pulled out.

                  I get an even bigger kick out of people saying how we created Al Qaeda and empowered Bin Laden, and Saddam too.  Such statements show a total ignorance of actual history. My apologies if I veered to far from the subject at hand.