Author Topic: What is a Militia? (Read 20203 times)

Arlo · « **Reply #240 on:** November 27, 2007, 06:20:45 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by john9001
i don't want to bore people with pages of text, so i will just post a link.
http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=reports_pigbook2007

Getting better. Relevancy over personal grudges.

Thanks.

EagleDNY · « **Reply #241 on:** November 27, 2007, 06:26:18 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Arlo
I understand. But the whole Ted Kennedy thing is a bit of a "I don't like Ted Kennedy" distractor. Kinda like something irrelevant added to your relevancy.

Being as Ted Kennedy is the champion of the estate tax, and one of the biggest bloviators on making the rich "pay their fair share", I thought illustrating the hypocrisy was relevant.

Arlo · « **Reply #242 on:** November 27, 2007, 06:27:28 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by EagleDNY
Being as Ted Kennedy is the champion of the estate tax, and one of the biggest bloviators on making the rich "pay their fair share", I thought illustrating the hypocrisy was relevant.

I'm sure it is, for a different issue.

bj229r · « **Reply #243 on:** November 27, 2007, 07:03:08 PM »

Quote

The super-rich have the lawyers and loopholes to avoid the taxes. The guys that end up paying the big tax bills are the middle class and small business guys who are just out there earning a living.

Thats an incredibly ignorant statement, even more so the last decade or 2 with the 'tax-breaks-for-the-rich' mantra that has resulted in middle and lower paying even LESS taxes. I may be the only one who finds it troubling that the voting majority can now TAKE money from high-earners and use it for themselves

Percentiles Ranked by................AGI Threshold on.................Percentage of
AGI.......................... ...................Percentile s...........................F edl Income Tax

Top 1%...................................... $364,657............................39.38%
.
Top 5%........................................$145,283............................59.67%

Top 10%......................................$103,912............................70.30%

Top 25%......................................$62,068..............................85.99%

Top 50%......................................$30,881..............................96.93%

Bottom 50%.............................<$30,881..............................3.07%

link

lazs2 · « **Reply #244 on:** November 29, 2007, 08:59:51 AM »

arlo... what makes you think that the second gives you the right to demand that other people pay for your gun of choice? I guess you think it is like that amendment that says that everyone is entitled to free health care..

which one was that again?

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #245 on:** November 29, 2007, 09:08:13 AM »

bingalong.. like mav.. I am starting to think that you are either a troll or... to be kind.. you simply don't know the first thing about firearms and ammo.

This is pretty common with those who hate or are afraid of firearms.

the second does not protect "ordinance". Storage of dangerous chemicals and amounts is a city by city thing and perfectly legal so long as it does not infringe on the right to keep and bear arms... the DC thing is perfect as an example.. they required that the arms be locked and/or taken apart with the ammo stored seperately.

The court rightly ruled that a firearm that was in peices and/or locked with no ammo... was not a firearm at all and violated the second.

The extreme examples that you and arlo throw out are nothing but manufactured hysteria.

I was also interested in the fact that you thought criminal would steal my half ton safe by ripping it out of the floor and removing a wall of my home and then drive it to their shop where they would cut into it with thousands of dollars of tools. hysteria... aren't you worried they will steal my big block elky and run over a crapload of kids? that really does happen you know.

You guys are looking like little old ladies and simpering jon stewart wannabees..

Pick a point and I will tear it a new one for you or.. simply be sarcastic and hysterical and prove to everyone that you really don't have anything worthwhile to say about the subject.. that it is too complex for you to understand or that your prejudice and fear make it impossible for you to make sense or hear it,

lazs

Tigeress · « **Reply #246 on:** November 29, 2007, 09:51:25 AM »

Quote

Originally posted by Maverick
Can you name any war we've been in that was paid for up front?

Can't think of one, Mav.

But really I am thinking more along the lines of paying by raising taxes as we go if necessary rather that just putting it on credit and leaving it there thus forcing another administration to have to deal with raising taxes to get it paid down.

I am wondering if the American Public gets an immediate tax hike to cover the expenses of the IRAQ war as we go would that get people more involved in our country's government. A Federal War Tax say collected as we go in the form of a Federal Sales Tax on everything... No war; no Federal Sales Tax; want to spend more? Up the Federal Sales Tax.

Seems to be a lot of apathy exists about spending money obtained on credit and a lot of hand wringing when it comes to paying the bills.

Not many people seem to be aware of how much of our taxes goes to pay the interest on the national debt each year.

Why not make a linkage between the War and paying the bills for it as we go instead of the smoke and mirrors?

TIGERESS

Edit: I often feel the American Public is treated like children by our government (the power bases of the Lefties and Righties). "There, There. Trust us like good little boys and girls; it's for your own good... Daddy knows best."

Sometimes I feel as though the power bases for the Lefties and Righties are in collusion and taking turns playing good cop; bad cop... slapping each other on the back in private and laughing at us about it. And, fuel the fires of division between left and right to keep people distracted and occupied with... the shell game.

Seems like there should be a Moderate mainstream grassroots "We The People" party.

Tigeress · « **Reply #247 on:** November 29, 2007, 10:47:43 AM »

Quote

Originally posted by EagleDNY
The feds took in 2.4 TRILLION dollars in revenue last year - then entire defense dept, with war funding bills included, spent just under $700 billion. It aint the war that is going to break the bank folks, it's what the government does with that other 1.7 trillion dollars.

Below from --> http://www.federalbudget.com/

In Fiscal Year 2006, the U. S. Government spent $406 Billion of your money on interest payments* to the holders of the National Debt.

* It's true that we have to pay interest on the National Debt. But some citizens own a portion of the national debt, in the form of savings bonds and other government bonds. So some of the interest payment goes to them. You may be one of them. You'd want to keep your interest income coming. But the interest payment is being paid by taxpayers, and you may be one of them also...it's a tangled web.
.............................

IF you do a bit of simple math and divide the annual interest payment by the total number of people , you get this...

$405,000,000,000/300,000,000 = $1350 per every man, woman, and child per year

TIGERESS

Bingolong · « **Reply #248 on:** November 29, 2007, 11:41:27 AM »

Quote

Originally posted by lazs2
bingalong.. like mav.. I am starting to think that you are either a troll or... to be kind.. you simply don't know the first thing about firearms and ammo.

This is pretty common with those who hate or are afraid of firearms.

the second does not protect "ordinance". Storage of dangerous chemicals and amounts is a city by city thing and perfectly legal so long as it does not infringe on the right to keep and bear arms... the DC thing is perfect as an example.. they required that the arms be locked and/or taken apart with the ammo stored seperately.

The court rightly ruled that a firearm that was in peices and/or locked with no ammo... was not a firearm at all and violated the second.

The extreme examples that you and arlo throw out are nothing but manufactured hysteria.

I was also interested in the fact that you thought criminal would steal my half ton safe by ripping it out of the floor and removing a wall of my home and then drive it to their shop where they would cut into it with thousands of dollars of tools. hysteria... aren't you worried they will steal my big block elky and run over a crapload of kids? that really does happen you know.

You guys are looking like little old ladies and simpering jon stewart wannabees..

Pick a point and I will tear it a new one for you or.. simply be sarcastic and hysterical and prove to everyone that you really don't have anything worthwhile to say about the subject.. that it is too complex for you to understand or that your prejudice and fear make it impossible for you to make sense or hear it,

lazs

1st of all you brought up ordinance storage and said small arms don't blow up. I was just proving you wrong like I continue to do.

I'm not talking about your safe. I was talking about mine and it was pulled through the wall. So be ready to walk in one day and have it gone even 2 tons

Laz you are just a little to right for me telling every one who they are what they think and making assumptions that are wrong about:D

You have not torn one thing apart yet. Matter fact you haven't shown me one thing in your favor to keep your second amendment rights. Butting your head and giving your opinion will not change the laws

You say your still the militia . I say you are wrong you have lost that right and have showed you how. Denial will not get your rights back. I am absolutely positive the lawyers for the second will have plenty of arguments that you cannot seem to make

and they will be based on existing laws, cases, and acts.

Chairboy · « **Reply #249 on:** November 29, 2007, 11:49:02 AM »

Bingolong, out of curiosity, what do you think is more dangerous in a house fire, a propane tank or a cabinet of ammo?

Bingolong · « **Reply #250 on:** November 29, 2007, 11:55:57 AM »

Quote

Originally posted by Chairboy
Bingolong, out of curiosity, what do you think is more danger

ous in a house fire, a propane tank or a cabinet of ammo?

D. Chairboy with a match

john9001 · « **Reply #251 on:** November 29, 2007, 12:08:26 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Bingolong
I'm not talking about your safe. I was talking about mine and it was pulled through the wall.

you could have saved a lot of damage to your house if you had left your door unlocked and the guns laid out on the table. Next time use a little planning.

lazs2 · « **Reply #252 on:** November 29, 2007, 02:28:37 PM »

bingalong... I am sure that I am not the only one that wonders why in the hell you had a 2 ton safe for the three or four guns that you own... and.. that a criminal mastermind team would bother to tear out a wall in your house to steal the entire safe and take it somewhere to cut open just to steal what would be a street value in guns of less than $1,000 and would be so useless to criminals as to probly not be saleable.

As to your whole arguement that the second is not an individual right and that "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is somehow conditional on them being part of some government army... you have proved no such thing.

I asked you to show me any paper or document from the time of the founders that hinted at anything other than an individual right and you could not.

I told you that ammo was not ordinance and that it was, in reasonable quantities... not in the least dangerous compared to more common combustables that we all own.

in short... you appear to know little or nothing about firearms and ammo and ordinance and...

If the SC judges the case based on the original intent.. they have no choice but to go with the very latest court decision... and the miller decision that state that it is indeed an individual right.

sooo... I don't really think you have much of anything.

lazs

Bingolong · « **Reply #253 on:** November 29, 2007, 02:48:46 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by lazs2
bingalong... I am sure that I am not the only one that wonders why in the hell you had a 2 ton safe for the three or four guns that you own... and.. that a criminal mastermind team would bother to tear out a wall in your house to steal the entire safe and take it somewhere to cut open just to steal what would be a street value in guns of less than $1,000 and would be so useless to criminals as to probly not be saleable.

As to your whole arguement that the second is not an individual right and that "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is somehow conditional on them being part of some government army... you have proved no such thing.

I asked you to show me any paper or document from the time of the founders that hinted at anything other than an individual right and you could not.

I told you that ammo was not ordinance and that it was, in reasonable quantities... not in the least dangerous compared to more common combustables that we all own.

in short... you appear to know little or nothing about firearms and ammo and ordinance and...

If the SC judges the case based on the original intent.. they have no choice but to go with the very latest court decision... and the miller decision that state that it is indeed an individual right.

sooo... I don't really think you have much of anything.

lazs

Sorry I do not tell them to be criminals I suppose the same thing applies to diamonds, computers, tv's, cameras and so on.. for the resale point of view.
Once again I didn't say "I" had a 2 ton safe just saying... oh never mind . You don't have much Laz especially the rights you think you have. You bore me and you remind me of my ex-wife.

always got an answer almost always wrong. She used to try think for every one too as you do. Bet she still does.
Some things do not change, your rights are not one of them.

Good luck in June

wrag · « **Reply #254 on:** November 29, 2007, 03:16:06 PM »

I agree..........

"TIGERESS

Edit: I often feel the American Public is treated like children by our government (the power bases of the Lefties and Righties). "There, There. Trust us like good little boys and girls; it's for your own good... Daddy knows best."

Sometimes I feel as though the power bases for the Lefties and Righties are in collusion and taking turns playing good cop; bad cop... slapping each other on the back in private and laughing at us about it. And, fuel the fires of division between left and right to keep people distracted and occupied with... the shell game.

Seems like there should be a Moderate mainstream grassroots "We The People" party."

Watch em or just look at the history of both!

Especially within the last 15 years.

If Libertarians become popular you can figure it would be a sure BET that many of em will do a party change!