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« Reply #420 on: December 09, 2007, 04:14:45 PM »
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As they still do "after." Much ado `bout nuthin' regarding extremist rhetoric either direction. :D


That's what I was gettin at in the Bush OK facts not in evidence thread, but you hammered me for it. (or at least attempted to)
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« Reply #421 on: December 09, 2007, 04:23:55 PM »
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That's what I was gettin at in the Bush OK facts not in evidence thread, but you hammered me for it. (or at least attempted to)


I lumped ya in with all who are screaming "lefty conspiracy" regarding the State Department and it's decision to reveal it's reassessed the situation and come to a different conclusion. My apologies for that. But I still question the motivation behind those who want the SD to be wrong about this more than I do the SD's latest revelation. Afterall, eating crow under any administration's bound to be a hard task .... even harder under the present one.



Gettin' caught up in politics on a forum devoted to an online air combat sim is kinda like arguin' with your kids to convince yourself you'll get a riase at work, I reckon. ;)
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« Reply #422 on: December 10, 2007, 08:53:09 AM »
arlo... flight sim folk or not they are just people.   just like the people at your treckie conventions are people.

You should probly not look down on em since you are.. after all.. here.  

as for the judochristian thing...  I got no problem with beating my plowshares into swords..  harder to beat one into a rifle tho once they are taken away from us.

The main thing is that if our "right" to keep and bear arms is "found" to be nothing more than the right of the government to tell us what we can and can't have depending on who is in power..

Then it is no right at all.   England had the exact same right to keep and bear arms... so long as the government said it was ok.

Guess what.. the government said it wasn't ok.

It's like when a democrat says he just wants to keep guns out of the wrong hands..

guess what... you have the wrong hands.

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« Reply #423 on: December 10, 2007, 03:27:00 PM »
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arlo... flight sim folk or not they are just people.   just like the people at your treckie conventions are people.

You should probly not look down on em since you are.. after all.. here.  

as for the judochristian thing...  I got no problem with beating my plowshares into swords..  harder to beat one into a rifle tho once they are taken away from us.

The main thing is that if our "right" to keep and bear arms is "found" to be nothing more than the right of the government to tell us what we can and can't have depending on who is in power..

Then it is no right at all.   England had the exact same right to keep and bear arms... so long as the government said it was ok.

Guess what.. the government said it wasn't ok.

It's like when a democrat says he just wants to keep guns out of the wrong hands..

guess what... you have the wrong hands.

lazs


Unknot your French-cuts, darlin' and try not to weave the straw so much. I know it's hard to feel persecuted when nobody's really doing it so sometimes you gotta invent your own boogyman and all but weaving in my image is just gonna make me laugh at your attempt. :aok :D

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« Reply #424 on: December 11, 2007, 08:48:37 AM »
did you just call me darlin?   ok..

You are saying that our right to keep and bear arms is not in danger?  that I am being paranoid?   The DC ban was not an "infringment"?   the frisco one was not?  that the brady bunch and sorros and the UN only want "sensible" gun laws?

The UN wants only guns that will not shoot farther than 100 meters (like a yard but different).   Is that a tad restrictive to you?

You aren't seriously saying that everything is fine and that our second amendment rights are fine in the hands of democrats and the UN are you?  That the brady bunch is no threat to the second?

Now.. go back to the pipe and think it over ya hear now "darlin".  or.. just grin like an idiot,

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« Reply #425 on: December 11, 2007, 03:12:02 PM »
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did you just call me darlin?   ok..

You are saying that our right to keep and bear arms is not in danger?


Pretty much. Take up local law anomoly at the source. The U.N. is international law, not U.S. congressional legislative power. Democrats like and own guns. And no, one more time, my arguin' the flaws in someone's hyperbole and rhetoric does not equate my wanting to infringe on their rights, take their guns or go to bed with thier wife.

But if that threatens your prejuducial presumptuous view in the box, deny it with all your strength. Honey. :)

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« Reply #426 on: December 12, 2007, 08:39:40 AM »
perhaps you should look at the voting records of democrat politicians as a whole and tell me then that they are not all about infringing on the rights of gun owners?

It shows a real lack of simple research on your part to think otherwise.. The NRA and gun groups give about 90% of their support to republicans.. the onerous gun control groups like brady and sorros give 90% to democrats..  almost all gun control bills put before congress are by democrats.  

gun bans for caliber or capacity or color or storage or carry.. all are infringements.   Democrats have never stopped and never will till it is almost impossible to have most of the guns we are allowed to own now.

They constantly introduce legeslation to ban semi autos of all kinds.. You don't think that is going a little far?

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« Reply #427 on: December 12, 2007, 12:11:30 PM »
John J. Cahill and those like him...

Gun owners should vote for these Democrats, yes? no? maybe?

Something that can not be defeated from the outside can be defeated from the inside?

The city of Troy learned that lesson the hard way...



Voting against anti-gun Republicans would be a good idea too, right?

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"Bush and the Republican Gun Grabbers
by Michael Powers
May 9, 2003

‘‘To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.’’ ~ George Mason

President Bush’s pledge to extend the ban on semiautomatic assault weapons has gun owners up in arms.  The White House announcement came as a surprise to N.R.A. leaders and membership, who were stunned at the decision.  Although the original legislation is scheduled to terminate in September 2004, Senate Democrats introduced a measure to continue the ban for an additional ten years – a measure that Bush promises to sign if it reaches his desk.

Title XI of the Federal Violent Crime Control Act of 1994 banned the manufacture and import of a certain class of guns defined by Congress as "Assault Weapons." These firearms were categorized as such by certain identifying features that are military-like in appearance, but have no bearing on “efficiency,” or deadliness. The act also banned high capacity magazines that hold more than ten rounds.

A Federal ban on assault weapons was a top priority of the Clinton administration in early 1994, and it passed by a very narrow margin (216-214) in the House of Representatives.  President Clinton signed the bill on September 13, 1994 .

N.R.A. members staunchly supported Bush in the 2000 election, and they are justified in their incredulity regarding his vow to renew the ban.  But his sudden about-face should come as no surprise.  Recent anti-gun legislation confirms that Republicans are just as eager to deprive peaceful Americans of their ability to defend themselves as Democrats.    

Consider the following legislation, all of which occurred within the last six years:

·        GET THE U.S. OUT OF THE U.N.  ( June 4, 1997 ) –

The House defeated a pro-gun amendment, by a vote of 369-54, to pull the United States out of the anti-gun United Nations.  In recent years, the U.N. has been working to establish gun control laws worldwide and is seeking ways to lead member states like the U.S. toward stricter gun control laws.

169 House Republicans voted against the amendment.

·        HATCH-CRAIG GUN CONTROL AMENDMENT (May 14, 1999) -

In response to the Lautenberg amendment and its harsh gun control provisions, Senate Republicans presented a less stringent version.  The amendment offered by Orrin Hatch (R–UT) and Larry Craig (R-ID) passed by a 48-47 vote.    

The Republican bill provided several restrictions on gun ownership.  It would require background checks for any private sale at a gun show. Additionally, it would assign a U.S. attorney to every district for the purpose of harassing gun owners.  

47 of 55 Republican Senators voted FOR this legislation.  

BANNING PRIVATE SALES OF FIREARMS AT GUN SHOWS

This amendment would ban private sales at gun shows unless the buyer first submits to a background registration check.  The amendment would also impose numerous restrictions on gun show promoters.  

On May 20, 1999 , this amendment passed.  Six Republicans sided with the Democrats in favoring this anti-gun legislation, resulting in a 50-50 tie vote and allowing Vice President Al Gore to cast the tie breaking vote.  

·        BACKGROUND REGISTRATION CHECKS (May 20, 1999)-

Senators Gordon Smith (R-OR) and James Jeffords (R-VT) introduced more restrictions on gun sales with this amendment.  It subjects pawnshop and repair shop transactions to the same registration and background check requirements as purchases from dealers.    

The amendment passed 79-21, with 34 of 55 Senate Republicans voting FOR the gun control legislation.

·        JUVENILE CRIME BILL (May 20, 1999) –

The Senate passed the anti-gun juvenile crime bill by a 73-25 vote.  Senate Bill 254 contained several gun control amendments in addition to the various provisions related to punishing juveniles who commit crimes.

31 of 55 Senate Republicans voted FOR the anti-gun bill.

·        OMNIBUS REPUBLICAN GUN CONTROL PACKAGE  

On June 18, 1999 , the House defeated the Hyde-McCollum “Mandatory Gun Show Background Check Act” by a 280-147 vote.  This bill contained many anti-gun provisions, including trigger locks, a young adult gun ban, and lifetime gun ban for certain juveniles.  

137 House Republicans voted for the gun control package.

·        ENFORCEMENT OF EXISTING GUN LAWS AND PROTECTION OF GUN OWNERS  

Senator Trent Lott (R-MS) offered a resolution that called for more aggressive enforcement of existing gun laws, tougher penalties for gun-related crimes and protection for the rights of law-abiding gun owners.  On May 17, 2000 , the non-binding vote passed 69-30.

52 of 55 Senate Republicans voted FOR more stringent enforcement of existing gun laws.

·        NO U.N. GUN CONTROL ( July 18, 2001 ) –  

Representative Ron Paul (R-TX) offered another amendment to withdraw the United States from the United Nations.  Paul argued that the country should boycott the international gun control organization, which is actively “taking guns away from civilians”.

164 House Republicans voted against the amendment.

President Bush’s promise to extend the assault weapon ban is hardly the first time that alleged pro-gun Republicans have chosen to infringe upon 2nd Amendment freedoms.  At least Democrats are honest in their pledge to disarm the populace.  The GOP, on the other hand, uses treachery and deception to mislead the citizenry into thinking that they will “protect” the right to keep and bear arms.  Yet, it is clearly evident that they are enemies of liberty as well.  

The N.R.A. donated nearly $3 million to Republican candidates during the 2000 election cycle, and gun rights groups contributed over $90,000 to President Bush’s campaign alone.  I guess $90,000 doesn’t buy much influence in Washington these days.
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« Reply #428 on: December 12, 2007, 02:40:12 PM »
tigress.. it matters not what bush did.. it was way better than his opponents.  we really had no choice... lesser of two evils.  and.. he was the one who put in two friends of the constitution on the supreme court.. would you want this latest second amendment case being heard if gore had put his two on?

sure.. their are anti gun republicans and pro gun democrats.. on a local level that might help but... when it comes to a federal level.. all bets are off...

if it is a gun bill that restricts our rights...  the republicans will almost unanimously be opposed and the democrats will almost unanimously be for it..  the names may switch around in the parties depending on who is vulnerable in the next election or not but it is just a big scam.. wink and nod...  the real result is... more democrats... more gun laws.. less democrats... less gun laws.

It is naive to think that these guys posses anything like integrity.

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« Reply #429 on: December 12, 2007, 03:05:46 PM »
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tigress.. it matters not what bush did.. it was way better than his opponents.  we really had no choice... lesser of two evils.  and.. he was the one who put in two friends of the constitution on the supreme court.. would you want this latest second amendment case being heard if gore had put his two on?

sure.. their are anti gun republicans and pro gun democrats.. on a local level that might help but... when it comes to a federal level.. all bets are off...

if it is a gun bill that restricts our rights...  the republicans will almost unanimously be opposed and the democrats will almost unanimously be for it..  the names may switch around in the parties depending on who is vulnerable in the next election or not but it is just a big scam.. wink and nod...  the real result is... more democrats... more gun laws.. less democrats... less gun laws.

It is naive to think that these guys posses anything like integrity.

lazs


Yes... the past two presidential elections were, in my view, a matter of choosing the lesser of two serious evils.

Seems like a shell game to me we didn’t have the choice of the greater of two goods.

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« Reply #430 on: December 12, 2007, 04:50:44 PM »
The Militia are the citizens.

Our military, police, and Goverment, are made up of the citizens and answerable to the citizens.

Their right to be armed shall not be infringed.

What part of all this cant these "anti-gun nuts" understand?
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« Reply #431 on: December 13, 2007, 09:09:34 AM »
exactly rich..   I will also say that, and hope you agree, that every cop I have ever known felt that citizens should have the right to bear arms.

I can't say as much for the political hack police chiefs tho.  

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« Reply #432 on: December 15, 2007, 02:37:02 PM »
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It shows a real lack of simple research on your part to think otherwise.. [1]

Democrats have never stopped and never will till it is almost impossible to have most of the guns we are allowed to own now.

They constantly introduce legeslation to ban semi autos of all kinds.. You don't think that is going a little far?

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Some instant search engine results (first time - first page):

[1]http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/12/17/democrats_recast_gun_control_image/?page=2

http://www.oregondemocrats.org/gun_owners

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/article3376.html

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071126/FRONTPAGE/711260306

http://www.pulsejournal.com/school/content/shared/news/nation/stories/04/06_FLA_GUN_LAW.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3766edf1177f.htm

Generalization is such a lazy crutch. Partisan politics, `ol boy. And you claim to be more of an independent than I? ;)

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« Reply #433 on: December 16, 2007, 10:32:00 AM »
arlo.. you need to heed your own advice.  do some research..   I have said that on a local level you may find a small percentage of democrats to support gun owners rights and the second but..

Do the research..  look at the NRA ratings of politicians based on gun control.   the vast majority of the democrats have c, d and F ratings while the republicans have A, B, and C ratings mostly.

It is very partisan..  most every gun bill is introduced by a democrat and they vote partisan on it.. they may let some out of the voting but the direction is very very clear.

A lot of "pro second" democrats were elected in 2006 but things have not changed so far... They will vote with their anti gun brothers.

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« Reply #434 on: December 16, 2007, 03:12:52 PM »
Aw, Lazzie. I don't have to work as hard as you do to keep a specific "reality" in place. I did a quick search on the internet and yours was proven wrong. It doesn't sit well with your preconception so .... yeah .... ummmm ... I'm wrong (mmmmwhatever). Sorry, I'm not gonna dance lightly around your comfort zone to keep you happy and content. You'll just hafta either live with it or keep throwing hissy fits everytime someone doesn't agree with ya. :D