Author Topic: A20 Flight Envelope in AcesHigh (Read 1746 times)

Yeager · « **on:** November 28, 2007, 11:22:21 AM »

Was this thing really the vertical super fighter of its day, or is the AH flight model missing about 9000 pounds somewhere?

I have no facts or data on the actual flight envelope versus the AH flight model but man, what a looping SOB that baby is in game. Somehow the A20 seems to me to be out of step with the similar sized twin engined medium bombers represented in game.

I think I might actually try and super tard in this thing over the next few months.

Anyone have any insight on the AcesHigh A20 that I might be lacking, obviously?

WMLute · « **Reply #1 on:** November 28, 2007, 11:45:54 AM »

The most you wanna dive from is 7k ish. Any more than that and you risk ripping the wings off.

Urchin · « **Reply #2 on:** November 28, 2007, 12:07:20 PM »

The Me-110 used to be somewhat similar in that it was the most agile LW plane in the game.

I don't think that is the case anymore though.

Yeager · « **Reply #3 on:** November 28, 2007, 12:16:01 PM »

did HTC modify some paramerters on the 110 flight model? I come and go around these parts and sometimes miss out on this sort of info....

humble · « **Reply #4 on:** November 28, 2007, 12:34:14 PM »

Actually the A-20 isnt really all that good as a pure "looper" in my opinion. However it is without a doubt one of if not the best "E platform" in the game. It is severly limited in its true "top end" since you've got to be very careful with G loading over about 395 TAS....but it generates tremendous zoom at moderate speeds and is exceptionally stable thru the meat of the flight envelope. So going back to WW's "smooth is fast" the A-20 drive can get an awful lot out of the bird within its limits. But the A-20 fights best on the "X" and not in the "I". Using the pure vertical gives up alot of the A-20's edge in overall stability IMO...

It's the zoom (which is a function of weight to a degree) combined with the suprisingly high sustained climb (with WEP) and ability to hang on the prop at 60 mph or less with a very gentle stall and easy recovery that makes it so good in the "verticals"....

Yeager · « **Reply #5 on:** November 28, 2007, 01:14:32 PM »

Sounds about right humble, question is: Does the A20 FM have a serious discrepency in vertical performance when compared to other FMs of comparable machines in game?

humble · « **Reply #6 on:** November 28, 2007, 02:13:16 PM »

I dont think so...

It's not significantly better in the vertical then the 110 or mossie...

IMO its alot like those 3 and the 38. It's a much more pilot dependent ride then most planes since "zoom" isnt really easy to use well in the midgame of a fight. All 4 require a good feel for both zoom and the use of the vertical in low speed nose up obliques and reverses...

Karnak · « **Reply #7 on:** November 28, 2007, 02:59:29 PM »

I Can't imagine why it would zoom better than a Mossie or P-38. It has less power and is draggier while barely being heavier than a Mosquito, if at all when unladen.

humble · « **Reply #8 on:** November 28, 2007, 03:48:23 PM »

I dont know that it does zoom better then the mossie....its better then the 38 from an equal start but the 38 has more "potential E". The 110 and mossie are both tough fights for the A-20, any mistake and the A-20 just gets shredded since both have center mounted cannons.

Rich46yo · « **Reply #9 on:** November 29, 2007, 01:54:18 AM »

If I was going to zoom I'd do it in a Mossie. Its faster while level and to me zooms as good or better then the A-20. The 4 cannon and 4 0.50s in the nose is just brutal.

Karnak · « **Reply #10 on:** November 29, 2007, 02:05:31 AM »

Mossie has four Hispano 20mms and four .303s. No .50s.

humble · « **Reply #11 on:** November 29, 2007, 07:25:33 AM »

The A-20 seems to handle much better then the mossie does. The difference has lessened considerably with the FM changes but is still there IMO.

moot · « **Reply #12 on:** November 29, 2007, 09:22:48 AM »

Yep, the mossie is dogmeat compared to the A20. Now everyone knows, and we should see lots more A20s in the air for mossies to run away from.

Karnak · « **Reply #13 on:** November 29, 2007, 10:11:02 AM »

Somehow the A-20G just feels plodding to me and the Mossie does not. Mossie is not agile like a true fighter, but it certainly handles better than the A-20G in my experience.

Everytime I've met an A-20G in combat (rarely) I've thought "Free kill" and I have yet to be wrong.

humble · « **Reply #14 on:** November 29, 2007, 10:50:34 AM »

No question the mossie has a larger group of dedicated flyers. I rarely if ever lose a 1 on 1 to either a 110 or mossie but if either has an initial advantage in alt or E its tough sledding since any hit is normally crippling or fatal. The 110 and mossie are used alot in the attack role so overall pilot quality is very inconsistant the same as the A-20.

I've found that the good mossie drivers are very E aware and rarely get drawn into a turning fight with the A-20....basically they'll spray with the 20mm at any angle they can looking for hits or fire off the BB's at longer range to force the A-20 to break and then go vertical looking for a 20mm pass....

The 110's seem much more angle oriented and if you slip by the 1 shot window they're usually over commited and in trouble...

I think the A-20 is more stable and a better dog fighter then either but the tremendous differential in firepower negates that alot.