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« Reply #90 on: December 01, 2007, 05:41:53 PM »
Vote Ron Paul in. He'll toss big business graft right out the window!
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« Reply #91 on: December 02, 2007, 11:25:05 AM »
well... when I started talking about this "solution" several years ago I had to argue it to people and got very little support.

Now, some politicians are on to it and at least paying lip service to such a solution..  There have been raids on business and it has always worked out great.. a meat packing plant loses 100 illegals.. the next day they have 100 legal workers to replace em.

Why do I need an instant background check to buy a gun but there is none for work?   Is it harder to check to see if someone is using a bogus ss card than it is to run a complex background on me?

Is it more difficult for the cop to arrest the guy at lowes who is loading 10 wets into the back of his truck than it is for him to call backup and get three cars and 6 guys to pull me over because I am not wearing a helmet.. and I get to watch the wets go by as I sit on the side of the road?

If those laws are worth ignoring.. then why not ignore all the laws?   we certainly have too damn many.

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« Reply #92 on: December 02, 2007, 12:01:59 PM »
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If those laws are worth ignoring.. then why not ignore all the laws? we certainly have too damn many.


That's what makes this such a dangerous situation-They keep putting laws on the books which nibble away at the constitution a little more each HR. I'm worried they won't actually enforce them until they have all of the laws in place that they want, because Nobody yells and screams about a constitutionally-violating law that isn't enforced. They slip in under the radar, get all of their ducks in a row, so to speak, THEN you see them come door to door, with warrentless search and seizures, and an agenda to make the country safe-for them to do with as they will.

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« Reply #93 on: December 02, 2007, 12:07:40 PM »
I like the fence idea because, unlike extra border agents or National Guard soldiers, the FENCE can't have its funding yanked after it is in place
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« Reply #94 on: December 02, 2007, 04:11:30 PM »
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I like the fence idea because, unlike extra border agents or National Guard soldiers, the FENCE can't have its funding yanked after it is in place


Yeah, but when you consider people cutting it with dykes to make a hole to get through, or other kinds of maliciousness to tear it down, the Fence might get pretty expensive in maintenance.

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« Reply #95 on: December 02, 2007, 08:09:41 PM »
Here's another problem that is faced with employers & illegals, and why we have to go further to the top to fix the problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU

Now I know this is kind of old, but when you watch it, you see the kind of problems that we face-an inactive Dept. of Justice, and a Gov't. turning a blind eye. This **** makes me sick.

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« Reply #96 on: December 03, 2007, 02:21:52 AM »
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Yeah, but when you consider people cutting it with dykes to make a hole to get through, or other kinds of maliciousness to tear it down, the Fence might get pretty expensive in maintenance.

That's why you electrify it. It makes it kinda inconvenient for the guy cutting it. If you do it in sections with individual solar charged units with a reporting feature, not only will it be economical to run, you'll know straight away when and where someone is trying to breach it.
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« Reply #97 on: December 03, 2007, 04:20:08 AM »
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we are like a bunch of old ladies who put out bird feeders and now all upset about all the damn birds around...



Bird feeders in California.....

From a California school teacher - - -


"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:

I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic
and income levels.

Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens ,Huntington Park , etc., where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.

Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten. ( OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK )

I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones . The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for baby-sitters or having family watch their kids. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need foranything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying newcomputers for the computer learning center, half of which, one monthlater, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education inAmerica . (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant studentshere in the country less then 3 months who raised so much hell with the female teachers , calling them "Put as" ( potatos ) and throwing things , that the teachers were in tears.

Free medical, free education, free food, day care
etc., etc, etc.  Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?

To those who want to point out h ow much these illegal immigra ntscontribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools,overcrowding, new diseases etc., etc, etc. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.

We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because we won't have the guts to enforce it . Does anyone in their right mi nd really think they will voluntarily leave and return?

It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses toassimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and worried about " political correctness"that we don't have the will to do anything about it.

If this makes your blood boil , as it did mine, forward this to everyone you know.

CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?

Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.

Consumers don't want expensive produce.

Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.

But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth , a farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor."

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.0 0 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an " earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent .

He qualifies for food stamps.

He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.

His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.

He requires bilingual teachers and b ooks.

He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.

If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled , they qualify for SSI. Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare.   All of this is at (our) taxpayer's expense

He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.

Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.

He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.

Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his.

The American taxpayers also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.

Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up people!

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« Reply #98 on: December 04, 2007, 08:13:56 AM »
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Vote Ron Paul in. He'll toss big business graft right out the window!


 Im a conservative democrat whos heading more and more (along many of my republican friends) to independant. Most of the candadates are pedaling the same old message, catering to the special interests. While most of us in the political middle are being ignored.
Ron Paul is gaining steam and making a lot of sense.   :furious

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« Reply #99 on: December 04, 2007, 09:10:26 AM »
What is a conservative democrat?

Is that like "jumbo shrimp"?

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« Reply #100 on: December 04, 2007, 10:47:50 AM »
I have a few Mexican families around my house. One family that I know has just bought a $750,000 house they have 5 kids they drive new cars. The father is illegal the house is in the uncles name. The father has been deported several times he just comes back within a day or two. His employer just puts him back to work, decent job as a mechanic good pay. Three days ago I saw the mother in the store actually got behind them in the check out line. When all the sudden she pulls out a hand full of W.I.C. . The checker takes close to 10-15 min to process them all. She got a full basket of goodies and I never saw a creditcard, bank card, or cash change hands. She says thank grabs her receipt and goes. No charge. My girlfriend is a nurse at the neighborhood clinic. She sees the same family there regular and they get no charge for medical. Matter fact the whole place is full of Mexicans both illegal and legal  getting free services. When I go there I have to pay. What a lode of BS. :mad: :furious :mad: :furious
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« Reply #101 on: December 04, 2007, 10:49:55 AM »
Fill the holes in the border with buckshot.
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« Reply #102 on: December 04, 2007, 12:19:38 PM »
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Fill the holes in the border with buckshot.


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« Reply #103 on: December 04, 2007, 12:58:33 PM »
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Fill the holes in the border with buckshot.


I'd just rather US citizens living along the border deal with intruders with vigilante justice. They're capable, willing, and they know the realities of the problem better than any law enforcement body or big-city bureaucrats.

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« Reply #104 on: December 04, 2007, 01:16:15 PM »
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What is a conservative democrat?

Is that like "jumbo shrimp"?

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