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storch

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« on: December 03, 2007, 03:09:10 PM »
these introspective threads got me to thinking.

I'll preface by saying that I understand that AH is a game, to some it may go a tad beyond a mere game and into the area of a hobby/pastime. to others it may border on obsession.

my questions are how do you perceive your involvement in AH within the context of the above categories.

do you have any goals for yourself as it pertains to AH?

I play AH with the same level of commitment that I once had for a variety of sports.

I have goals that I have set for improvement.

AH is as vexing and challenging to me as golf was.  that is to say that I know what I want to do, I have seen what others can do, yet..........  do you understand what I'm trying to communicate?  does anyone else share the frustration?

I'll be away this week at a continuing education/seminar/vacation get away so I'll have plenty of time to reflect on crap like this as I sit through the mostly dull meetings for four hours a day.

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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2007, 03:33:04 PM »
it is my best time killer .. to take it too seriously, denotes something lacking elsewhere .. I do not share your frustration but I do enjoy reading about it LOL
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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2007, 03:36:18 PM »
Maybe because ive played for some time now I dont consider AH any different than watching TV.Its entertainment.At one time I was more involved I guess you could say.Its probably something everyone or most people go through.I try to do well but im not staying up at nite worrying about it.I am into the history of the air war of WW2 and I read a lot.Also I build models of WW2 aircraft.So I guess it all compliments one another.If I were to put it in your terms it would be Hobby/Pastime.

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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2007, 03:36:51 PM »
Like anyone I hate losing.   I'm not talking about winning the war, but getting shot down.   Usually I make a mistake when I'm sent to the tower.   I rarely gloat, only to other's who I see doing it.    

I still refuse to worry about my score.  

I just want the Community to gel a little better and stop all the fighting and bickering on these boards.   It can happen, but it probably won't.
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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2007, 03:41:08 PM »
I'm somewhere between hobby/passtime and obsession.

I used to not have any in-game goals but to have fun.  Then I started visiting these BBs and one day some all-knowing member decided to use my score as an argument as to how I wasn't qualified to discuss something and my first in-game goal was born.  

I set about to get my K/D over 2.  I used to fly into the biggest red dar bar to see how long I'd last so I stopped doing that and I reached my goal right away so I set another goal; to fly every fighter and get a K/D better than the larger of the arena average for that plane or 1 K/D+1.  That took a couple of months but more importantly, my overall K/D was improving as I learned all the planes.

Since i already liked doing everything in the game I then set another goal;  to rank in the Top 50 overall.  It took me two months to get there.  

Now my goal is to improve my individual catagory rankings and overall ranking every camp.  To do that I have set goals for every single statistical catagory.  So far so good.  I've continued to rise overall over the past six months or so and I just finished my best ever camp in fighters, bombers, attack planes, vehicles and overall.

That said, and now that I'm an official score-potato, I still try to minimize the dweeberie and fly sorties that will help out my country.

I'm sure I'll plateau pretty soon and have already been wondering what my next goal will be.  I guess I've still got a camp or two to figure it out.
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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2007, 03:49:08 PM »
Hobby/pasttime. I spend far too much time on the game, and things related to it, but there's so many aspects, the forum discussions, hardware, peripherals and setups, the historical side of things, the aircraft discussions, special events, etc, that I can still find something that keeps me amused for hours, even after 6 years of fairly constant play. It is an absolutely ridiculous amount of entertainment for 15 bucks a month, even if at times I do find it frustrating for various reasons.

I find the parallel between golf and AH to be very accurate.
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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2007, 03:54:44 PM »
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it is my best time killer .. to take it too seriously, denotes something lacking elsewhere .. I do not share your frustration but I do enjoy reading about it LOL
I don't think you understand what I'm trying to get at.  perhaps it's my competetive nature, I play to win.  it doesn't matter what the game is my objective is winning.  in a game like this it's hard to determine.  

if I use score as measure it becomes immediately evident that score in AH is essentially flawed since for the most part the people with the best scores are awful players except in the category of gaming the game.

I use the 1v1 as my criteria in the 1v1 I'm a pretty poor player.  that means HTC will be getting a whole bunch more of my money as improvement against some of the stellar players in AH for me will be a long row to hoe.

you sir, are on my list of those I one day hope to master.

nice answer BaldEagl.  I find it insightful.
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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2007, 03:55:54 PM »
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that I can still find something that keeps me amused for hours, even after 6 years of fairly constant play. It is an absolutely ridiculous amount of entertainment for 15 bucks a month, even if at times I do find it frustrating for various reasons.

I find the parallel between golf and AH to be very accurate.
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2007, 04:05:55 PM »
I play AH with the same level of commitment that I have for anything that I set out to do ... to be the best that I can be.

I have AH goals and they are personal goals ... that meaning that if I fail ... I refuse to berate or belittle those who have gotten in the way of my goal(s). I have no one to blame but me.

Smack talking and eye-poking serves nothing in obtaining any goal.

Back in the day, when I was playing hockey, I was talking smack to a player on the other team, prior to a game. Well come game time ... he handed me my arse on a platter ... many times over.

I hated the taste of "crow" and swore that my smack talking days were over and that my actions and abilities would do the talking from then on ... and if my abilities weren't up to par ... well then it was time to change something ... but at least I didn't look like a fool eating crow.

Conversely, when smack is directed my way ... there is no better feeling that serving up some crow ... if I can.
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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2007, 04:09:17 PM »
Well Storch,

As I have had more than a couple of run ins with you , I can relate to part of it.

I hate losing. Golf as you probably have read here is my obsession. AH at one time was as well. I haven't mastered Golf, but I'm REAL good at it. I haven't mastered AH and now , not spending the time I once did, nor getting to worked up over it like I once did , I find it more enjoyment than anything.

I take it much like I do most sports outside of Golf. It's a hobby and scores , winning the war mean nothing to me. Im competitive in here , but not like Golf.

I like the 1v1's you find every now and then outside of the "Mine is bigger than yours DA".

In a 1v1 agaisnt MOST players , I'd say your better than you think. In the Cherry Picking Alt Monkey Hoing Running chasing world of the MA , Id say your like most and thats average.

In a 1v1 I'm probably at BEST , at 60 percent chance I'll lose.

I have set goals to get my Fighter K/D to a personal best. Thats my way of measuring what I am doing.

Its an interesting question....Good Luck with your goals.

Edit:

A great point lower in the thread was made about friends. The 71 Sqd. has presented me with friendships with people all over the world. AS some of you know I lost my Mom a lil over 2 years ago.

These guys kept in touch with me all the trime. Wanting to know not only about me but my family as well. ANother occasion was a heart condition I have that got a bit goffy for a bit. They called me from England , and all over the U.S.. Checking on me and what was going on. I consider them VERY good friends.

If AH has given me one thing outside of laughs and fun   , it's given me Friends. Friends that I would have never made without AH. You can't buy that for ANY amount a month.
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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2007, 04:19:56 PM »
It's just plain (plane) fun!  I don't take it seriously at all.  Some nights I try and survive and land kills/take bases and others I fly into the nearest red swarm with no alt and see what happens over and over.

I like to "win" an engagement, but that could mean winning a 1v1 or it could mean surviving way longer than I should in a 1v5.  I don't really have any goals or expectations regarding my performance.    My real life is full of deadlines, responsibilities, & stuff to whine about.  I leave that behind when I put on the headset.

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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2007, 04:27:56 PM »
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Originally posted by storch
these introspective threads got me to thinking.

I'll preface by saying that I understand that AH is a game, to some it may go a tad beyond a mere game and into the area of a hobby/pastime. to others it may border on obsession.

my questions are how do you perceive your involvement in AH within the context of the above categories.

do you have any goals for yourself as it pertains to AH?

I play AH with the same level of commitment that I once had for a variety of sports.

I have goals that I have set for improvement.

AH is as vexing and challenging to me as golf was.  that is to say that I know what I want to do, I have seen what others can do, yet..........  do you understand what I'm trying to communicate?  does anyone else share the frustration?

I'll be away this week at a continuing education/seminar/vacation get away so I'll have plenty of time to reflect on crap like this as I sit through the mostly dull meetings for four hours a day.


its a game to me....thats it...i dont get caught up in all the "win the war blah blah blah" stuff. i get on to fly with my squadies and my friends on the TSM squad. i just like to have fun..jokie around...i really enjoy the social part of it too. but i will admit...i REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY enjoy beating up on the boyz. i'm very competitive at some point in the game but its mostly that i'm competitive with that green slimey squadie of mine *grins*. i like the fact that i can call someone out and put up a good fight...thats what the game is for me....my future in AH....ummmmmmmm.....not really sure....i would like to improve my gunnery.
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2007, 04:52:41 PM »
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Hobby/pasttime. I spend far too much time on the game, and things related to it, but there's so many aspects, the forum discussions, hardware, peripherals and setups, the historical side of things, the aircraft discussions, special events, etc, that I can still find something that keeps me amused for hours, even after 6 years of fairly constant play. It is an absolutely ridiculous amount of entertainment for 15 bucks a month, even if at times I do find it frustrating for various reasons.

I find the parallel between golf and AH to be very accurate.


Sounds like my story. I'm a hobbyist now, though I've definitely spent some time at the obsession level.

I've been a lifelong aviation and history fan; I specifically remember a pre-teen conversation with my brother where we dreamed about someday being able to fly plane against plane in a computer sim. Fantasy back then, but now way more than what we could imagine.

Before I found AH, my main hobby was building models and dabbling in computer games. Since AH, I haven't needed any other hobbies...and this one's so deep challenging, and rewarding that I've stayed with it longer than just about any other hobby I've had.

As for flight style: I want a good fight, and I'm willing to risk death to get it...but deep down, I like to survive. At times I've gotten cranked when those conflicting goals led to frustration, but now I go with the flow much better. I've done the score thing, and went as far as I want to (I got into the low 20s, but I don't WANT to do what's needed to go farther. No way do I want to invest enough hours to compete with the mega hour guys, and I fly as a lone wolf 95% of time).  So, essential no rank goals now.

I think stats are useful only as measures of personal progress, and used that way there isnt really a substitute. I watch KPD and hit%, and I watch how my KPD breaks down among and against certain planes. I'm embarrassed to admit that I have an Excel spreadsheet....So I'm not a score dweeb, I'm a stat dweeb!

What I work for is simple: to get better. I love getting that reversal right, suckering someone into a maneuver kill, or getting a really good snapshot off. I like reaching a new personal milestone, no matter what it is. I love the feeling of doing something well, especially if it involves wing tactics or getting a wounded buddy home. I try to learn what I'm doing wrong , and then put it into practice in the unpredictable MA. (BTW: can't praise the trainers enough!  They've been a huge help even in low level interventions like commenting on film clips)

So, like golf, the game is a challenge that can never be conquered. (At least for guys starting with my non-gifted-gamer talent level.)

But best of all, I've come to love the community. Starting the "game" I never expected to make REAL friends. Not those superficial gaming buddies, but friends who make a point of getting together, who are there for each other when RL troubles hit. People who care about the same things I'm interested in (and who remember the same obscure cultural references) sure, that's great....but there's nothing like finding quality people who hear a rumor that you're having a hard time, and call you up or send daily PMs to encourage you -- or who send computer parts (even cash) to a squaddie who's strapped.



Summing up "What AH is to me":

Its the most rewarding and fun challenge I've ever taken up. And, it's a community of some really, really cool people -- some of whom have become really cool friends.
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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2007, 05:06:34 PM »
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I've been a lifelong aviation and history fan; I specifically remember a pre-teen conversation with my brother where we dreamed about someday being able to fly plane against plane in a computer sim. Fantasy back then, but now way more than what we could imagine.

Likewise.  All my life I've wished that I could take some sort of time machine and be a WWII fighter pilot.  When "B17 Bomber" was released for the Intellivision I was in hog heaven.  I'm learning to fly real planes now, but I find that I'm distracted from that life-long goal by AH2.  That's the strength of the WWII fighter plane draw on me.  It probably explains why I'm such an AvA fanatic.

Win, lose, draw, I really couldn't care when it comes right down to it.  I have to do that stuff for a living, I don't need to repeat it in my leisure time.  The quality of the historical fight is everything.

So, yeah, I guess I'm obsessed.

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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2007, 05:07:01 PM »
I get and expect something different from AH just about every time I log on.

I grew up reading about WW2 air combat, playing the board games, watching the movies ( horriby disappointed with Midway and all the historical inaccuracies ) and when AW/AH became available, I've been hooked ever since.

I've gone through varying levels of obsession about the game. From the squadron commander with a whole elaborate ranking/reward structure outside the game itself, to the sproradically logging in lemming.

I've had the opportunity to help manage special events and historical-based recreations through our CM team, which has been some of the most rewarding times of my on-line 'career.'

I generally don't have many specific goals that I pursue.  I've found that my goals are more dependant on my attitude when I'm online.  I have noticed myself tending to watch my k/d more often and I am making a slight effort to get my hit % up, but if we're in base-capture mode and my squaddies need me to take down an ACK or town building.. I'm on it. Too bad, so sad if I launched in fighter mode and end up blowing my numbers on strafing buildings.  

Some nights I log in and all I care to do is sit in a field gun and pointy-clicky red guys out of the sky.  Other nights I may just up a zeke and wander around at alt looking for somebody to spar with.  Still others I'm in a toolshedding mode and will spend an hour for one mission of B24s to aid in the base capture cause... or go find some strats to hit, or a CV to sink.

I have seen many people come and go over the years.  I suspect that the long-timers that play and play and play, year after year, are the ones that have a background similar to mine.  Lots of time spent in the libraries reading about the same planes we simulate on-line.  I still get moments of awe when we have a large formation of bombers with escort forming up and heading off to a target. And that's after a pretty solid 6 year stint in the same game.  I've seen a lot of folks play the game that have practically no knowledge of the history involved, yet can master the mechanics of the planes and hand me my virtual butt after only a few weeks.  Yet, my incompetance in the art of ACM doesn't really bother me.. for long.

I know that if I really wanted to get better, I probably could. It's just not a priority in my life.  

I play AH for different reasons. Sometimes the thrill of the kill, sometimes the thrill of avoiding being killed ( extreme goon driving ), and other times just winging with my squad mates and sharing the victories and defeats of another night of virtual carnage.

Like Hub said, you get an insane amount of entertainment for your $15/month. Is it perfect?  no.  Is it better than anything else out there that I've found? yes.
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