Is Bush ok?

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Arlo
I can guess that it doesn't involve older data, lack of reassessment, specifically looking for less accurate field data gathering methods or dispensing with better contacts. But that's a guess. Probably trollish.

Maybe it's a conspiracy.

Though Bush's team rarely is that clever, ya wonder if Iran laying off Iraq was a trade off for this report:noid

[Arlo]

Originally posted by bj229r
Though Bush's team rarely is that clever, ya wonder if Iran laying off Iraq was a trade off for this report:noid

That's not "clever."

[sgt203]

Originally posted by Tango
What do the Israelis have to say about it?

I am sure the Mossad knows exactly what is going on.

I am just as sure they will NEVER allow Iran to come even close to obtaining nuclear weapons.

I have a feeling though the Mossad is scratching their heads with the old WTF look on their faces.

[bsdaddict]

Originally posted by Tango
They won't believe it even when Tel Aviv or New York gets nuked.

What's the upside for Iran to nuke NY?  Or even to let NY be nuked by giving a fanatic a wmd?  We'd wipe 'em off the face of the planet and they know it.

[john9001]

well a nuke winter would slow up global warming , opps, i mean climate change.

[sgt203]

Originally posted by bsdaddict
What's the upside for Iran to nuke NY?  Or even to let NY be nuked by giving a fanatic a wmd?  We'd wipe 'em off the face of the planet and they know it.

Ummm... Complete devastation of the economy of the United States that would make the Great Depression pale in comparision.

And fanatical Islamists obviously dont care if we wipe them off the face of the map, heck they do it to themselves on a daily basis. They will all get their 13 or whatever virgins and be happy as pie they have delivered a blow to the " Great Satan", that we may or may not recover from.

Fanatical Islam is one of the greatest threats this world has ever faced to ignore it is a fatal mistake. They do not want peace with the U.S. or Western Nations, they do not wish to co-exist with Christians, Buddists, or any other religion other than their own.

Islam itself is not the problem, how many are being taught to interpret their religious writings IS the problem.

How to stop it is everyones problem and anyones guess.

[ROC]

Complete devastation of the economy?  Not hardly.  The primary reason we have not had a nuke dropped on us is that there aren't enough in the arsenal of the fanatics to finish the job.  It wouldn't devastate us, it would wipe them out as we simply got rid of some old weapons that are in need of replacement anyway.  They shoot their wad in a grand assault, perhaps taking out one city, we toss out some old outdated weapons and remove them from the planet.

Then, the isolation, cleanup and rebuilding of a region, along with the military resupplying the depleted weapons along with stockpiling more because "we told you they were out there" and this nation reels but doesn't fall over the loss of New York City.

Most in the world cannot grasp the overall wealth of this nation.  We would be wounded, they would be gone.  In the scale of wealth and power, it would be similar to breaking your pinky.  Painful, tick you off, might even lose that finger, but it isn't going to even remotely send you to your grave.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by sgt203
Fanatical Islam is one of the greatest threats this world has ever faced to ignore it is a fatal mistake.

Not many advocate ignoring it. Just not everyone agrees on the most practical way to deal with it.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by bsdaddict
What's the upside for Iran to nuke NY?  Or even to let NY be nuked by giving a fanatic a wmd?  We'd wipe 'em off the face of the planet and they know it.

You are using logic?  Does that work when trying to find out the motives of Jihad?

I am wondering...  This whole thread, people have been arguing between two Bush/CIA reports about the nuclear programs of a foreign nation.

What makes you pick one report over the other?

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by bsdaddict
What's the upside for Iran to nuke NY?  Or even to let NY be nuked by giving a fanatic a wmd?  We'd wipe 'em off the face of the planet and they know it.

And if a(n) organization such as Al-Queda manages to detonate a device in NY, or Boston, or LA, or any other large metropolitan U.S. City, Which Al-Queda city do we nuke? Where is their capitol city? Where are the borders' of Al-Queda's homeland?

The U.S. is a large, defined target, per se. But Al-Queda is a terrorist organization, with no declared homeland, or capitol. You can't fire a nuke at something that isn't there. You have to fight that problem a different way.

[MORAY37]

What irks me is we're supposed to believe that they stopped enrichment in Iran almost 5 years ago... and Bush says he found out about it Tuesday?


The man is a moron, and there's still 27% of you that think he isn't.  I wonder why all of his business ventures ended in complete failures.

[LEADPIG]

Look if i were in Bush's situation and i heard a report like that. I'd just "hear" it thats all. It's okay to just hear opinions and facts and not neccessarily make an opinion on it right away. And express it LOUDLY. Taking in information for a president is important. Not believing every bit of information is even more important.

Iran...... basically they're are some *****holes over there and i don't trust em. Would i believe the report outright...no. Would i believe it if it said the opposite ....no. What makes Bush an idiot however is his cowboy nature and instead kind of acting out in ways where he should tone it down some and shut up. Okay we get it your a strong President already. But being strong doesn't necessarily mean having a big mouth and loud attitude and being quick to start a fight either. President Bush, handle things more carefully, don't go around making enemies at the outset with your antics. Shut up... don't be afraid to listen. There's alot of situations i feel you could have kept from brewing and blowing out of proportion if you weren't acting like a fool.
So calm down.

Remember Michael in the Godfather, though he was sadistic, and evil, i believe alot about being a president could be learned from how he ran his mafia family.

1.Be quiet

2.Observant

3.Don't make a big scene

4. Always be watching and listening

5. Just take in information

6. When you make your move....MAKE your move.

7. There's no fanfare after that.

Alot could be learned by President Bush by this statement "Keep your friends close but your enemies closer". So president Bush follow those rules and maybe you won't leave office starting a war that doesn't solve the original problem and leaves things worse than they already were. Because i don't know about you but i feel no safer from terrorists than when this war started almost five years ago. Close to 5,000  soldiers now have died for that. What was the plan? There was no plan. He wasn't smart enough to see or make a plan. And those soldiers have died for that and it's pretty F*cked up to me.

[babek-]

According to german news of yesterday Mr. Bush was informed by the CIA in August 2007 that Iran has no military nuclear program. The military project was stopped in 2003 - long before Mr. Ahmadinedjad became president of Iran. (Or with other words: Under the rule of Mr Ahmadinedjad, who is shown in western media often as a second Hitler there was no military nuclear program in Iran).

Nevertheless Mr. Bush told the people in a speach of October 2007 that Iran is trying to build nuclear missiles.



I think thats the way of politicians ans so Bush told the lie because it was more logic for him to keep the picture of an Iran, which is only few months away from attacking the civilized world with nukes.


During all this time Russia had told that there are no proofs for an iranian military program.

Also Mr. El Baradei of the nuclear agency (I dont know the correct word in english - but I hope you know, which agengy I mean) told in his actual report, that there is no military iranian nuclear program. After that event Israel demanded the deposal of Mr. El Baradei.

Then the CIA-report followed.



Maybe the reports in the media about Iran will change. Maybe it will be reported that Iran is fighting a war against Al Kaida and the Taliban long before 9/11 and is still today fighting these terrorists.

Maybe it will be reported that Iran and Russia are working together against islamistic terrorists in former soviet countries and have great successes.

And maybe there will be some reports showing that Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are the main supporters of Al Kaida and the Taliban, while Iran is fighting them.


But maybe all will be forgotten and in a few weeks the propaganda is telling us, that Iran will be ready to start nukes against Israel and the USA within hours and the mighty iranian fleet is just minutes away from invading Florida

[LEADPIG]

Originally posted by ROC
Complete devastation of the economy?  Not hardly.  The primary reason we have not had a nuke dropped on us is that there aren't enough in the arsenal of the fanatics to finish the job.  It wouldn't devastate us, it would wipe them out as we simply got rid of some old weapons that are in need of replacement anyway.  They shoot their wad in a grand assault, perhaps taking out one city, we toss out some old outdated weapons and remove them from the planet.

Then, the isolation, cleanup and rebuilding of a region, along with the military resupplying the depleted weapons along with stockpiling more because "we told you they were out there" and this nation reels but doesn't fall over the loss of New York City.

Most in the world cannot grasp the overall wealth of this nation.  We would be wounded, they would be gone.  In the scale of wealth and power, it would be similar to breaking your pinky.  Painful, tick you off, might even lose that finger, but it isn't going to even remotely send you to your grave.

The primary reason nuclear weapons have not been used again is the fear of being retaliated against. This fact should be known before drawing any undue fear upon oneself about the likelihood of an attack. The cold war to me for instance was a joke. A war increased and a fear made even more real by propaganda.

The U.S. didn't wanna nuke the Soviet Union, and they didn't wanna nuke us. Both countries could have lived pretty secure in that fact and left each other alone and not made a big deal out of it. But no, people have to have weapons build ups and have nuclear weapons pointed at each other. President Kennedy was a smart man and realized that, hey, all that is just stupid, let's both stand down because, were're all creating a problem.

Now terrorists they don't care, but that's another problem. It's mighty hard to fight an enemy who has no sense of self preservation or fear of death. We learned that in WW2 from the kamikazes. Now the difference is that terrorists would most likely have to get the necessary materials from a country that hates the U.S. Now these countries know we know who they are and they don't want no problems. Even Iran i think would think twice and is thinking twice about that. That's a pretty damn good deterrent. Not foolproof but pretty good. So don't get your panties all in a bunch about getting nuked just yet.

These very reasons i explained are the very reasons we could have and probably should have left Saddam in power. Sure he was an as*hole, but i don't think he was totally stupid. He didn't want none. He just should have been watched and militarily kept an eye on. He's more a problem to us now gone than he was alive, cause look, we have to get our troops killed trying to put together his damn country, while people shoot at us in the process. While not even really solving or erradicating our real enemy. Now thats wasted motion to me. Real smart.

[Eagler]

so to the lefties, this intel report is creditable even after similar intel reports about wmds in Iraq seemed to be not so accurate & have given them a political battlecry ( imo they were moved or buried) ... who would have thunk it...


as stated, Iran will never have to use a missile to deliver a nuke attack as they have two legged cheekbones morons who are dying for the "honor" to be the one to set off the first one.
to cripple the US and her allies, ie the financial markets, nothing larger than a half arse dirty bomb detonations in a couple of the right cities is needed. think that requires a full blown Iranian "Nuclear Weapons program"?

Don't worry lefties, Obama and/or Billary will fix everything ... LOL