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Offline MajIssue

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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2007, 02:16:42 PM »
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ZOMG!!! awexome ideas, thanks for suggesting them


I disagree Gowan... But the correct spelling would make you "appear" more credible (I assume you will have to look that word up!)

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« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2007, 09:27:00 PM »
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I disagree Gowan... But the correct spelling would make you "appear" more credible (I assume you will have to look that word up!)

BTW... you need a B-52 in the middle of your avatar!
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« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2007, 09:46:18 PM »
Chef's flying lancstukas now?:huh
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« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2007, 03:21:19 AM »
Gonna post this here instead of starting a new thread because I think it's the same deal.
Something needs to be done about the low level lanc,B24,B17 missions carpet bombing gv's when they are defending a base. What usually happens is a flight or several flights fly in at low level don't sight anything just dump the bomb load then either willingly crash, bail, or get shot down and get perk points for 2,3, or 4 kills. Maybe the bombers need to be at least flown to a friendly base before quitting the flight before any perks are given. I know this would upset some people but it upsets me when I have 5 or more kills and getted bombed by a bomber flying at tree top level and the pilot knowing they aren't going to fly back to a friendly base but gets the perk points anyways.:mad:
Just thought of this. I know the American bomber bombsight in real life didn't wok correctly under something like 6000 feet. Maybe change the calibration procedure to where it can't be calibrated until the bomber is higher than 5 or 6 thousand.

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« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2007, 09:58:17 AM »
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Just thought of this. I know the American bomber bombsight in real life didn't wok correctly under something like 6000 feet. Maybe change the calibration procedure to where it can't be calibrated until the bomber is higher than 5 or 6 thousand.


Your wrong ... the Norden bombsight used airspeed and altitude to calculate bomb trajectory. It's a pure mathimatical equation so it could calc the trajectory no matter what alt.

On the other hand ... the Norden basically sucked. It's calculations did not have enough correct input to properly put eggs on the target.

"Using this device, bombardiers could, in theory, drop their bombs within a 100-foot (ca 30m) circle from an altitude of well over 20,000 feet (ca. 7km). In combat, this accuracy was never achieved — because the Norden had been tested under "artificial conditions" at the US proving grounds, for example in the absence of anti-aircraft fire or adverse weather. An additional factor was that the shape and even the paint of the bomb mantle greatly changed the aerodynamic properties of the weapon; and, at that time, nobody knew how to calculate the trajectory of bombs that reached supersonic speeds during their fall.

Under perfect conditions only 50 percent of American bombs fell within a quarter of a mile of the target, and American flyers estimated that as many as 90 percent of bombs could miss their targets."
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« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2007, 12:02:18 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2007, 01:47:33 PM »
Wasn't carpet bombing the norm in WW2? Mainly because they couldn't accurately hit a pinpoint target.

Isn't the laser accurate bombers we have historically incorrect?

I suppose the response for the carpet bombing of bases is "they did it in WW2".
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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2007, 01:48:22 PM »
Why did the planes in the Doolitle raid not use the Norden? It didn't work at low level.

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« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2007, 01:51:25 PM »
Yes WWII bombing was inaccurate mostly. My problem as stated is I am sick of being bombed by Lanc,B24,B17s flying in at low level and the people doing it knowing they are going to get the perks without having to worry about trying to fly back to a friendly base and land.

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« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2007, 02:21:08 PM »
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Why did the planes in the Doolitle raid not use the Norden? It didn't work at low level.


And that is documented where ?

I would be more inclined to believe that the bombsight and all its other equiptment was not even on the B-25 due to weight savings and if a B-25 did go down ... the bombsight would fall into Japanese hands ... which is not something we wanted to have happen.

Here ya go ...

After the raid was approved, 24 operational B-25B medium bombers were detached from the 17th Bomb Group (Medium), based at Lexington County Army Air Base, Columbia, South Carolina, and sent to the Mid-Continent Airlines modification center in Minneapolis, Minnesota, for installation of additional fuel tanks. The aircraft were modified by:

Removal of the lower gun turret
Installation of de-icers and anti-icers
Steel blast plates mounted on the fuselage around the upper turret
Removal of the liaison radio set
Installation of three additional fuel tanks and support mounts in the bomb bay, crawl way and lower turret area to increase fuel capacity from 646 to 1,141 U.S. gallons (2445 to 4319 litres)
Mock gun barrels installed in the tail cone, and
Replacement of their Norden bombsight with a makeshift aiming sight.



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Yes WWII bombing was inaccurate mostly. My problem as stated is I am sick of being bombed by Lanc,B24,B17s flying in at low level and the people doing it knowing they are going to get the perks without having to worry about trying to fly back to a friendly base and land.


The same holds true for fighters and GVs. I could score 6 kills in a fighter and bail if I desire. I could score 12 kills in a Tiger and bail if I desire.

So what's your point ? ... your upset that they are getting perks ?

So what ? ... they did kill whatever they killed so they should get credit for it. What they don't get is the full perk value had they "landed" safely ... so in essence ... they are getting penalized for bailing.
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« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2007, 02:47:07 PM »
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Yes WWII bombing was inaccurate mostly. My problem as stated is I am sick of being bombed by Lanc,B24,B17s flying in at low level and the people doing it knowing they are going to get the perks without having to worry about trying to fly back to a friendly base and land.


TWO ways to get 'em to think twice about doing the AC 17/AC 24 and GA lanc deal on top of you John.

1: up an Ostwind and hang close to the tanks... When they get within 1.5K open up on 'em.

2: If you're already in a tank track them with your main gun and when thet get within 1K (Head on is the best) Give them a HE round! If it does nothing else it will effect their drop in your favor.

Failing those 2 your pintle gun can be quite effective... aim at the engine/cockpit areas. Pilot wounds will drive off even the most determined ground attack minded buff driver.

CAS Bombers... I once saw a guy using the tail gun of an AR-234 to attack GVs!!! After I stopped laughing I put enough 12.7 MM maching gun rounds into him that his wing disintegrated... Got a few perkies on that sortie!

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« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2007, 06:01:14 AM »
This Lanc-stuka problem is irritating. Carpetbombing in a dive has shut down many a fine GV battle. I have no problem with heavies doing that as long as they do it in a manner they were designed to. Ive been hanging out a lot of TTs and seeing wave after wave of Lancs in dive bomb mode is just crazy.

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« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2007, 12:26:08 PM »
ooh! yet another person who doesnt get the humor to this thread

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« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2007, 07:37:03 PM »
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« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2008, 08:07:19 PM »
:rofl :rofl

i can see it now, a lancstuka with a nook....

who cares about the b29!!! its a bird, no its a really big bird, no, its teh LANCSTUKA!!!!!!!