Pay once for the ability to host directly.

[hubsonfire]

Not fair to you? On the contrary, you freeloaders were able to enjoy the game as long as you did only because the MA customers paid for it, and now you've got the nerve to say it's comparable to robbery, and that you should get a discount version because you're cheap? That would be amusing, if you weren't so earnest about it.

[RTR]

Benny, it's only "like an author demanding payment for his book everytime you read it" if you are reading said book in the authors house, while using his Lazyboy chair and propping your feet up on his coffee table.

We play this game in Hitechs house. On his servers.

Anyway, you are allowed lan Play for free, which means you get the complete game for free. What more do you want??

RTR

[Benny Moore]

That does it.  You fruitcakes aren't even reading my posts, and the last two posts are proof.  For the last time, my suggestion meant that Hitech would not, in fact, be hosting anything for this category of players.

[RTR]

Part of my comment was because of this statement by you:

Frankly, pay-to-play is nigh robbery. It's like an author demanding payment for his book every time you read it.  

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Now as far as being able to have 8 players set up on a Lan network,  is this not possible?

I always thought it was.

Oh and by the way, this BBS is also in Hitech's house. So get your feet off of the coffe table. Were you born in a barn or something?


RTR

[hubsonfire]

You've made your idea very clear. It just doesn't seem to have any benefits for anyone but you.

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Benny Moore
That does it.  You fruitcakes aren't even reading my posts, and the last two posts are proof.  For the last time, my suggestion meant that Hitech would not, in fact, be hosting anything for this category of players.

Come on Benny ... think about it. Your emotions are clouding your thinking.

You purchase under your idea ... you then setup a 8 player room. No involvement by HTC hardware-wise, no physical connection to HTC, and you hold the keys to entry.

Then you get the great idea that YOU will charge players to enter your room ... don't say no ... you might not, but in a nano-second ... others would.

You have now just taken money off HiTech's table and inserted it into your pocket ... and for what ? ... your initial one time payout of a measly $30-40 ... All the years of development, proprietary software algorythms, and patents and he is going to hand it over to the public ... over the intenet. I think not.

Don't come back with the ... "Well HiTech could write up some clause and prosecute under those conditions."

I would probably be safe in saying that the amount of money that he would get from people like you would not even come close to the amounts of money that he would need to spend to protect his software and/or try to prosecute those who would violate any TOS that he could draft.

[Benny Moore]

Why is this not a problem in the many thousands of traditionally bought games?  Why would it be different with this one?  You claim that people would try to charge to play (how?), yet you don't see Quake, Half-Life, or Halo servers with people trying to charge to play.

The fact is that there is a possibility that, along with the current system of pay-to-play on large servers hosted by Hitech, the game could also be treated as a standard boxed game.  You buy the game, you host your own small servers, no monthly fee and no cost to Hitech.  I don't get the problem here.

People like me cannot and will not pay-to-play regardless.  With this idea implemented, Hitech would gain revenue with no additional effort or cost, and people like me would get to play.  No one loses (except that a few main arena players would be angry that other people get limited gameplay at a reduced cost).

You main arena players have always been exceedingly bitter that Hitech offered free limited play as advertisement.  I've never seen such dog-in-the-manger mentality.  And no, you did not pay for head-to-head.  It paid for itself; it was advertisement.  The bandwidth cost was almost non-existent, since players hosted.  And now you are angry at the suggestion that Aces High II be sold as a normal game.

[Larry]

Your not gettting H2H back so stop whining about it. If you cant/wont pay $15 a month then go back to playing halo with the rest of the squeakers.

[Krusty]

You said paying for AH was nigh on highway robbery.

Fine. Don't pay. That's your choice. It's beside the point that it's worth the subscription. Stop trying to form an ever-changing argument just to get what you want, because for so many reasons (many already stated) it's not going to happen.


Oh, P.S. The games you listed -- they are built to allow folks to change them. HL, HL2, Quake, etc... They all have mods that can be put on their servers.

They're also rampant with cheaters.

P.P.S. You pay for a book once, but you re-read it and it's exactly the same every time. I can fight the same person in the same plane setup in the same situation over and over and NEVER have the same fight twice. Not even a remote comparison.

[goober69]

Originally posted by Krusty


Oh, P.S. The games you listed -- they are built to allow folks to change them. HL, HL2, Quake, etc... They all have mods that can be put on their servers.

They're also rampant with cheaters.

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i have those games and for that reason i do not play over the internet,
when i buy a normal "boxed game" i never expect to use the multiplayer
the only one i ever used was diablo 1 and starcraft. and yes they were hacked but still fun.
then i found ah...
if i buy any more games its just gonna be for the single player mode i love rpg's anyway and i have yet to see a good one for multiplayer (warcraft aint my thing)
therefore ah is gonna be my multiplayer game.

and yes its well worth the money i pay even though i die constantly.

i wish i could donate to the "get benny onlie fund" but i couldnt afford that lol
miss flyin with you man.

[SD67]

Originally posted by Benny Moore
Why is this not a problem in the many thousands of traditionally bought games?  Why would it be different with this one?  You claim that people would try to charge to play (how?), yet you don't see Quake, Half-Life, or Halo servers with people trying to charge to play.

The fact is that there is a possibility that, along with the current system of pay-to-play on large servers hosted by Hitech, the game could also be treated as a standard boxed game.  You buy the game, you host your own small servers, no monthly fee and no cost to Hitech.  I don't get the problem here.

People like me cannot and will not pay-to-play regardless.  With this idea implemented, Hitech would gain revenue with no additional effort or cost, and people like me would get to play.  No one loses (except that a few main arena players would be angry that other people get limited gameplay at a reduced cost).

You main arena players have always been exceedingly bitter that Hitech offered free limited play as advertisement.  I've never seen such dog-in-the-manger mentality.  And no, you did not pay for head-to-head.  It paid for itself; it was advertisement.  The bandwidth cost was almost non-existent, since players hosted.  And now you are angry at the suggestion that Aces High II be sold as a normal game.

Benny, what part of this are you not getting?
I don't think we "ub3r l33t MA d00ds" (sic) are offended by the 2 week trial. We weren't even offended by the H2H arenas, some of us even used them from time to time.
The issue that led to the close of the H2H arenas is the same one that is preventing that for which you are asking. It's is the very same art you see being practised in almost every other boxed online multiplayer game there is. They get hacked. Sure if you want to see people flying around with their own coded mods providing shields for their aircraft, and weapons that do 100x normal damage in your arenas then it's the way to go. We who happen to like a more realistic scenario are more than happy to pay the monthly subscription. Go wash a few cars a month and you have it covered. Don't expect HTC to open up their work to the hackers to compensate for your laziness.

[hubsonfire]

Originally posted by Benny Moore
People like me cannot and will not pay-to-play regardless.  

This same mentality keeps me from driving a brand new 'vette. You will never see me whining about that, however. We work for money, and we trade money for services and goods. There is no point to giving things away to people who will never return the favor.

Originally posted by Benny Moore
Hitech would gain revenue with no additional effort or cost, and people like me would get to play.  No one loses (except that a few main arena players would be angry that other people get limited gameplay at a reduced cost).

No, HiTech would lose money. Instead of $15 a month for years, he would get $30 or $40 once. No one loses, except HiTech, who fails to gain additional regular income, and whose reputation will be ruined when the game is hacked rampantly hosted on Benny's magical free server.

Originally posted by Benny Moore
.  And no, you did not pay for head-to-head.  It paid for itself; it was advertisement.  The bandwidth cost was almost non-existent, since players hosted.  And now you are angry at the suggestion that Aces High II be sold as a normal game.

 

You got the same software we did, and you never paid a cent for it. At this point, in subscription fees alone, I've invested, ugh, probably $800 to $1000. I'm not angry at the suggestion that it be sold as a normal game (even though it's a horrible idea, IMO) I'm offended that you're whining about your cost (which at this point is $0) being "nigh on robbery".

Without the many thousands of players who've invested in HiTech Creations, Inc., you'd have never played this game for free for so long. Unless the staff at HTC were independently wealthy when they started HTC, they require income to operate. So yes, we paid for H2H, the SEA, the MAs, the AvA, the DA, the TA. We paid for everything, in a sense. Those who didn't pay initially, invested their time, and effort into helping get the beta sorted out. Those who subscribed early paid twice what I do. Those who are compensated invested with their skins, their sounds, their terrains, etc etc- all work, all time, all resources that are expensive. I pay, they work, but we're all supporting HTC.

This is how the world works. I don't know what your situation is, or why you can afford boxed games, a computer, an internet connection,  but not $15 a month. Your have a poor attitude in general, and your refusal to acknowledge the obvious, accept it, or even be reasonable in discussing the matter is patently offensive.

Good day.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Benny Moore


The fact is that there is a possibility that, along with the current system of pay-to-play on large servers hosted by Hitech, the game could also be treated as a standard boxed game.  You buy the game, you host your own small servers, no monthly fee and no cost to Hitech.  I don't get the problem here.

Because you can't see further then the end of your nose.

All you ask will result in increased costs for HTC, none of which would be recouped through sales and would result in a gross/net profit loss for them.  It costs money to press the CD/DVDs, it costs money to market them, it costs money to distribute the game, it costs money to manufacture the boxes.  Money that would most likely have to be recouped by increasing the subscription price because they aren't going to be making enough money selling this as boxed game to break even.

But you don't see that because after all, it's not your money.


ack-ack

[Benny Moore]

Every single one of your insipid insinuations, Hubsonfire, is false.  But then you know that already.

[hubsonfire]

On the contrary, we've already seen what happens when HTC gives their product away.