Author Topic: Pay once for the ability to host directly. (Read 1949 times)

Meatwad · « **Reply #30 on:** December 16, 2007, 12:56:09 PM »

No

Paying $15/month for a subscription is good enough.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #31 on:** December 16, 2007, 03:24:41 PM »

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
On the contrary, we've already seen what happens when HTC gives their product away.

Honestly, it's just a waste of time trying to remove the blinders Benny has welded to his eyes. He'll never understand that it's not really viable due to the costs associated with making a boxed game no matter how we explain it to him. He doesn't care that his idea isn't financially a smart move on HTC's part. Nor does he care that HTC would most likely have to raise our subscription prices to recoup the money lost because as I mentioned in a previous post, it costs money to manufacture, market and distribute a boxed game. No, Benny only cares about Benny, screw the thousands of paid subscribers to this game. As long as wittle Benny gets his wittle boxed game...

He'll continue to whine and pout even though there have been quite a few posts on how to get AH H2H running on a virtual LAN server. Despite the advice he refuses to do that, probably because the technical complexity is far to great for him to grasp or maybe he just is lazy and wants others to do the work for him while he reaps the benefits.

ack-ack

Rino · « **Reply #32 on:** December 16, 2007, 07:22:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Benny Moore
Why is this not a problem in the many thousands of traditionally bought games? Why would it be different with this one? You claim that people would try to charge to play (how?), yet you don't see Quake, Half-Life, or Halo servers with people trying to charge to play.

The fact is that there is a possibility that, along with the current system of pay-to-play on large servers hosted by Hitech, the game could also be treated as a standard boxed game. You buy the game, you host your own small servers, no monthly fee and no cost to Hitech. I don't get the problem here.

People like me cannot and will not pay-to-play regardless. With this idea implemented, Hitech would gain revenue with no additional effort or cost, and people like me would get to play. No one loses (except that a few main arena players would be angry that other people get limited gameplay at a reduced cost).

You main arena players have always been exceedingly bitter that Hitech offered free limited play as advertisement. I've never seen such dog-in-the-manger mentality. And no, you did not pay for head-to-head. It paid for itself; it was advertisement. The bandwidth cost was almost non-existent, since players hosted. And now you are angry at the suggestion that Aces High II be sold as a normal game.

Frankly I have never seen talk in the MA about the freeloaders till you
guys peed in your own pool, then insisted that HTC owed you another
chance.

If you don't like HTC's policies, feel free to squeak out your own
flight sim and do with it what you will. Expecting paying customers to have
any sympathy for someone who won't fork up 50 cents a day is madness.

Ghosth · « **Reply #33 on:** December 17, 2007, 07:51:28 AM »

h2h is like the kiddie pool at the park. Its fine when your 3, if the company can afford to take the risks involved. Once it becomes obvious that its being abused its going to get shut down. And once your 6 you need to screw up your nerves and go dive into the big pool anyway.

And before you slam me I started in the H2H world and Defts ladder in Warbirds back in 96. I flew all H2H for over a year. Then started flying online in free beta's,
etc.

However its become obvious that there is no way to provide that service that does not entail it becoming a huge security threat for HTC and the Main servers.

H2H as you knew it is dead and will stay dead.

If you really want to fly, jump into the big pool and learn to swim!

SlapShot · « **Reply #34 on:** December 17, 2007, 08:14:36 AM »

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Originally posted by Benny Moore
People like me cannot and will not pay-to-play regardless.

That tells it all ... along with the "nigh on robbery" statement.

It's not that you can't afford it ... your a fuggin' cheapskate and with cheapskates ... there is no talking "cents" with them.

You could be a millionaire but ... will not pay-to-play regardless. The sign of a true cheapskate.

clerick · « **Reply #35 on:** December 17, 2007, 08:31:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
It's $15 a month, and for anybody with a part-time job it's doable, even under the heaviest stack of bills.

If only that were true Krusty. I haven't been in game for nearly 2 months because the $15 is needed elsewhere.

Gowan · « **Reply #36 on:** December 17, 2007, 08:37:45 AM »

while reading this i heard you can make your own lan server? can someone link me to this? danke

P.S. Benny shush and be quiet before i stick a potato shaped bomb in your tail pipe, unfortunately your so cheap you chose not to buy your own mortality....

VonMessa · « **Reply #37 on:** December 17, 2007, 09:30:27 AM »

There are a multitude of ways to come up with another $15/month. Anyone who says they can't, only translates into A) The wife won't let me, B) Mom and Dad won't pay for it, or C) My credit sucks and I don't have one single credit card to use.

$15/ month = $0.50/day. Here is a small list to scape that pile of money together. Use any combo you like.

A) Make coffee and take it to work, don't buy it at the circle "K" on the way to work.

B) Flush the toilet 1 or 2 times less/day or put something in the tank to take up space so you use less per flush.

C) Cut 5 minutes to 10 minutes off your shower time, shut off the water when lathering

D) Don't let the water run when you brush your teeth.

E) Pack your lunch.

F) Turning down the thermostat by just 2-3 degrees can almost save $5- $10 a month.

G) Buy cheaper beer or brew your own (I find that method more satisfying anyway) or recycle your aluminum.

H) Use cruise control, don't drive over 55mph, walk anywhere less than 4 miles away round trip (your heart will thank you in the long run)

I) Quit smoking, or smoke less (quitting will save at least $30-$40/ week)

J) Use a clothesline instead of a dryer whenever possible.

K) Turn off the lights when you don't need them.

I could go on and on. H2H is dead. The website is hitechcreations.COM. The dot COM part is for COMMERCE. Its not dot ORG (usually reserved for not-for-profit)

These guys are trying to make money. It is the American way. If AH2 REALLY means enough (or anything else for that matter) it isn't hard to scrape that $00.50/day together.

clerick · « **Reply #38 on:** December 17, 2007, 12:38:29 PM »

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Originally posted by VonMessa
There are a multitude of ways to come up with another $15/month. Anyone who says they can't, only translates into A) The wife won't let me, B) Mom and Dad won't pay for it, or C) My credit sucks and I don't have one single credit card to use.

$15/ month = $0.50/day. Here is a small list to scape that pile of money together. Use any combo you like.

A) Make coffee and take it to work, don't buy it at the circle "K" on the way to work.

B) Flush the toilet 1 or 2 times less/day or put something in the tank to take up space so you use less per flush.

C) Cut 5 minutes to 10 minutes off your shower time, shut off the water when lathering

D) Don't let the water run when you brush your teeth.

E) Pack your lunch.

F) Turning down the thermostat by just 2-3 degrees can almost save $5- $10 a month.

G) Buy cheaper beer or brew your own (I find that method more satisfying anyway) or recycle your aluminum.

H) Use cruise control, don't drive over 55mph, walk anywhere less than 4 miles away round trip (your heart will thank you in the long run)

I) Quit smoking, or smoke less (quitting will save at least $30-$40/ week)

J) Use a clothesline instead of a dryer whenever possible.

K) Turn off the lights when you don't need them.

I could go on and on. H2H is dead. The website is hitechcreations.COM. The dot COM part is for COMMERCE. Its not dot ORG (usually reserved for not-for-profit)

These guys are trying to make money. It is the American way. If AH2 REALLY means enough (or anything else for that matter) it isn't hard to scrape that $00.50/day together.

Yeah, still not exactly right.

Is it hard to believe that people may just run a budget that is THAT tight?

Krusty · « **Reply #39 on:** December 17, 2007, 12:43:19 PM »

Oh, it's possible. I've been there myself many times. Only, I haven't always been "steadily" employed. Hell I went through a period of well over a YEAR looking for work. Had to cancel my sub a couple of times because whatever I had was going to whatever it could.

However, I think if you have STEADY income, it's possible.

clerick · « **Reply #40 on:** December 17, 2007, 03:38:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Oh, it's possible. I've been there myself many times. Only, I haven't always been "steadily" employed. Hell I went through a period of well over a YEAR looking for work. Had to cancel my sub a couple of times because whatever I had was going to whatever it could.

However, I think if you have STEADY income, it's possible.

I REALLY wish it were true.

But even with 2 steady incomes the costs of raising 4 children tends to make it really hard. I think I'll vote democrat next time, Hillary will pay for my AHII!

VonMessa · « **Reply #41 on:** December 17, 2007, 03:53:23 PM »

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Originally posted by clerick
Yeah, still not exactly right.

Is it hard to believe that people may just run a budget that is THAT tight?

I was raised by my grandparents, who went through a depression. Some of the ideas I posted are not very silly. Even in times of prosperity, it was always drilled into me that one must not waste a thing. There are always ways to cut costs. Anyone who says otherwise, is not looking hard enough. I equate it to someone who claims that they can't afford to buy groceries because of inflation, while they watch football on ESPN all weekend. Turn off the TV, my friend, cancel the cable, use the $ for food.

Krusty · « **Reply #42 on:** December 17, 2007, 03:53:25 PM »

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Originally posted by clerick
the costs of raising 4 children

That might do it..

clerick · « **Reply #43 on:** December 17, 2007, 04:10:47 PM »

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Originally posted by VonMessa
I was raised by my grandparents, who went through a depression. Some of the ideas I posted are not very silly. Even in times of prosperity, it was always drilled into me that one must not waste a thing. There are always ways to cut costs. Anyone who says otherwise, is not looking hard enough. I equate it to someone who claims that they can't afford to buy groceries because of inflation, while they watch football on ESPN all weekend. Turn off the TV, my friend, cancel the cable, use the $ for food.

I agree that many people who say they can't afford anything can benefit from drastic cost cutting measures. I was really taking issue with your blanket statement that EVERYONE can afford AH. At this point in my life i cannot, and it makes me cry...

hubsonfire · « **Reply #44 on:** December 17, 2007, 04:47:01 PM »

Opportunity costs. Children are at the more extreme end of that, but Von's basic point stands- some of the things you buy or pay for, mean that you have to give up other things. The reverse is also true, although I do not condone or encourage the sale of children to pay for internet gaming, with a few exceptions.