They going to pull Arnold's Republican card...

[crockett]

In California, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has just won approval from legislators for a major health-care reform which will expand coverage to most of the state's uninsured.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7157980.stm


I bet Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave and I'm quite sure Newt Gingrich will commit suicide if Arnold is successful. Larz will likely have a heart attack..

So we have a Republican governor whom supports health care I bet they try to deport him..

[SIG220]

Originally posted by crockett
In California, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has just won approval from legislators for a major health-care reform which will expand coverage to most of the state's uninsured.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7157980.stm


I bet Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave and I'm quite sure Newt Gingrich will commit suicide if Arnold is successful. Larz will likely have a heart attack..

So we have a Republican governor whom supports health care I bet they try to deport him..

Republican President Huckabee will bring universal health care to all Americans by 2010.

After all, it is what Jesus would want us to do as a nation under God.   No one should ever be left out, and suffer from want.

SIG 220

[crockett]

Originally posted by SIG220
Republican President Huckabee will bring universal health care to all Americans by 2010.

After all, it is what Jesus would want us to do as a nation under God.   No one should ever be left out, and suffer from want.

SIG 220

lol that made me laugh. Im' not sure which is funnier, they you think Huckabee will be pres or that a Republican will bring a national health care plan to the table. (other than Arnold that is)

[SIG220]

Originally posted by crockett
lol that made me laugh. Im' not sure which is funnier, they you think Huckabee will be pres or that a Republican will bring a national health care plan to the table. (other than Arnold that is)

Since the Democrats will control both houses of Congress, it is a given that they will introduce legislation, whether a Democrat or Republican is in the White House.   It won't matter.   It will happen.

[lazs2]

arnie is not much of a republican... he was ten times better than the commie he was running against tho.. we really have no choices here.

Health care is not a right.    You have the right to take care of yourself.. you don't have the right to make me pay for it.  that is extortion and theft.

lazs

[lazs2]

plus.. kalifornia gun bans are going to pretty much stop the selling of new firearms in kalifornia.. the testing alone is so prohibitive that most manufacturers are simply saying screw kalifornia.   They don't want to make "kalifornia" versions of their firearms.. not enough profit in it.

lazs

[SteveBailey]

With the fiscal mess in California, I'm quite curious where the money is going to come from. The nanny state there has bled the coffers dry.

BTW  Arnie is a RINO.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by lazs2
arnie is not much of a republican... he was ten times better than the commie he was running against tho.. we really have no choices here.

Health care is not a right.    You have the right to take care of yourself.. you don't have the right to make me pay for it.  that is extortion and theft.

lazs

Exactly.  Arnold was  NEVER a republican.  However, compared to the communists of california, a left leaning moderate appears to be a Reactionary.

[DREDIOCK]

Whether you fellas choose to realise it or not.
We already have a universal health care in this country.

All you have to do is walk into any hospital ER in the nation and talk to the staff there and you will find out the large number of people that come in every day and get treated whom are both not emergancy cases nor are they insured.

Alot of the lost cost hospitals suffer on account of this could be made up for if they could only get the insurance companies to actually pay the money they are supposed to for those who are insured.

One of the largest single losses Hospitals suffer is through the difficulty hospitals have in collecting money from the insurance companies that is rightfully owed to them.

[crockett]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Whether you fellas choose to realise it or not.
We already have a universal health care in this country.

All you have to do is walk into any hospital ER in the nation and talk to the staff there and you will find out the large number of people that come in every day and get treated whom are both not emergancy cases nor are they insured.

Alot of the lost cost hospitals suffer on account of this could be made up for if they could only get the insurance companies to actually pay the money they are supposed to for those who are insured.

One of the largest single losses Hospitals suffer is through the difficulty hospitals have in collecting money from the insurance companies that is rightfully owed to them.

And that's the exact reason why govt should be involved and why big business shouldn't be controlling what doctors can or can't do.

It's a conflict of intrest to have a company whom has to make a profit but is also the deciding factor on if a patent gets treated or not. If a company makes a profit should not dictate whom gets treatment and who doesn't or what medicine a doctor can or cant' prescribe.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by crockett
And that's the exact reason why govt should be involved and why big business shouldn't be controlling what doctors can or can't do.

It's a conflict of intrest to have a company whom has to make a profit but is also the deciding factor on if a patent gets treated or not. If a company makes a profit should not dictate whom gets treatment and who doesn't or what medicine a doctor can or cant' prescribe.

And this is why socialism is evil.  It is the doctor's interest in profit that made them doctors in the first place.  

Of course YOU want to take power away from the doctors, and place it in the hands of the incompetent politicians who have NEVER been doctors (for the vast majority).



One of the biggest money losses from hospitals is not arguments over inflated costs with the insurer.  It's that hospitals are required to treat anyone who enters, regardless of whether or not they can pay.  A lot of money is lost at the inability to turn away Illegals, who shouldn't be in the country anyway.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by crockett
And that's the exact reason why govt should be involved and why big business shouldn't be controlling what doctors can or can't do.

It's a conflict of intrest to have a company whom has to make a profit but is also the deciding factor on if a patent gets treated or not. If a company makes a profit should not dictate whom gets treatment and who doesn't or what medicine a doctor can or cant' prescribe.

No entity outside a corporation can afford to be involved in large scale health care. Given the cost involved in pharmaceuticals and physical care, there is no way a non profit entity could hope to even survive, never mind provide any real amount of care.

The government has shown that it cannot possibly run anything efficiently.  Imagine the current level of bureaucracy in the government trying to run health care, when for profit corporations cannot truly control costs. Nothing besides disaster will result.

[crockett]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
And this is why socialism is evil.  It is the doctor's interest in profit that made them doctors in the first place.  

Of course YOU want to take power away from the doctors, and place it in the hands of the incompetent politicians who have NEVER been doctors (for the vast majority).



One of the biggest money losses from hospitals is not arguments over inflated costs with the insurer.  It's that hospitals are required to treat anyone who enters, regardless of whether or not they can pay.  A lot of money is lost at the inability to turn away Illegals, who shouldn't be in the country anyway.

You miss the point Larz.. It's not just about people whom can't pay. People that can pay end up losing everything they worked their entire lives for because of medical expenses.

Middle class people whom "think" they have good insurance end up getting turned down over and over for treatment. These people pay their bills yet the insurance company denies their treatment.

It has nothing to do with socialism and everything about doing what is right and having medical treatment that isn't dictated by profit.

Oh and btw being my mom is a nurse and has been the director of a few different nursing homes. Not to mention working in Hospitals and doctor offices. Well I think I have a pretty damn good understanding of how insurance companies try to get out of paying a bill.

Sure the illegals cost us money we shouldn't be paying, but is that a reason to not have health care for the citizens of this country?

btw Why is we never hear you *****ing about no bid contracts that the govt gives out like hot cakes to defense contractors? Is that not your tax dollars too? Is it ok to waste tax dollars or things Republicans support? If you can call it socialism it's bad but big business is ok?

[crockett]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
No entity outside a corporation can afford to be involved in large scale health care. Given the cost involved in pharmaceuticals and physical care, there is no way a non profit entity could hope to even survive, never mind provide any real amount of care.

The government has shown that it cannot possibly run anything efficiently.  Imagine the current level of bureaucracy in the government trying to run health care, when for profit corporations cannot truly control costs. Nothing besides disaster will result.

BS..

Go price a drug in the US then go online and price it in Canada it's the same in Mexico as well. We get charged double and sometimes triple for the "EXACT" same medicines, the reason is because our govt won't stop the price gouging.

It costs so much because the pharmaceutical companies get away with ripping us all off. Why? because the lobbyist and these companies hold more power than the people of this country.

[crockett]

btw every other civilized non 3rd world country in the west, has managed to do it, with the exception the USA.