Obama Wins Iowa Caucus

[Motherland]

"So why is now against it, when he was for it before and voted for it? Is he slow on the uptake?"
Obama was sworn in in 2005
I cant seem to find any war-related bills that Obama voted on beside the "Obama also introduced the "Iraq War De-Escalation Act", a bill to cap troop levels in Iraq, begin phased redeployment, and remove all combat brigades from Iraq before April 2008".

[bsdaddict]

actually, he wasn't around to vote on some of that stuff, although he did vote on reauthorizations and appropriations...  That not being in washington that long thing might end up working in his favor...  anyhoo, here's his voting record if anyones interested.  http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by SIG220
Unfortunately, much of the speech had vague generalities.  I know that the words HOPE and CHANGE were used a lot.  He also spoke about uniting the nation.

It was an uplifting and positive speech, and made you feel good about our country.   The message is simple:  Do not give up HOPE, Obama will bring CHANGE.

He said that he would:

1) Make Health care affordable
2) Give more Tax breaks to the Middle Class
3) Free our nation from relying on Oil
4) End the War in Iraq
5) Make America once again the land of opportunity that it used to be

In short, he will solve all of our greatest national problems.   And he cited a tradition of American greatness that he would follow in, starting with the bravery of the Colonists in becoming free, and ending with the march on Selma.

Obama is much better at the politics of salvation than Huckabee.   And much like Hitler, he knows how to move people with his voice and words, casting a spell over them.

Who can resist cheering wildly for him?

SIG 220

I can. He casts no spell over me. He is as transparent as most glass I've seen. And as full of B.S. as most manure spreaders.

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by SIG220
Unfortunately, much of the speech had vague generalities.  I know that the words HOPE and CHANGE were used a lot.  He also spoke about uniting the nation.

It was an uplifting and positive speech, and made you feel good about our country.   The message is simple:  Do not give up HOPE, Obama will bring CHANGE.

He said that he would:

1) Make Health care affordable
2) Give more Tax breaks to the Middle Class
3) Free our nation from relying on Oil
4) End the War in Iraq
5) Make America once again the land of opportunity that it used to be

In short, he will solve all of our greatest national problems.   And he cited a tradition of American greatness that he would follow in, starting with the bravery of the Colonists in becoming free, and ending with the march on Selma.

Obama is much better at the politics of salvation than Huckabee.   And much like Hitler, he knows how to move people with his voice and words, casting a spell over them.

Who can resist cheering wildly for him?

SIG 220

This is only the Iowa Caucus; his speechwriters' good, I'll give him that, but He still has 49 states' to go, With Hillary doing anything she can to get the nomination. She'll eventually smother him down the road, I should think. Wait for the Poo fights' to commence. She has more money than he does, and she is already proven to be ruthless. Let's see what happens' in NH.

[shamroc]

Originally posted by crockett
Pretty much the same feelings I have.. I will most likely vote for Obama I've watched him awhile and I've yet to see anything about him I don't like.

Things I don't like about Obama - and this is all my own personal opinion:
- Oprah supports him
- Did not like his BS "tell them whatever they want to hear" speech
- Former Pot and Cocaine user
- Refuses to wear a US flag pin on his tie
- Refuses to put his hand over his heart during the national anthem.
- Muslim heritage and upbringing (did his early schooling in Jakarta)
- Completely inexperienced
- Anti 2nd amendment

The above may not matter to some, or even most, but it matters to me personally - and I'll vote accordingly.

I think he's by far the least qualified and most over-hyped candidate of the pack - also the biggest out-and-out silver-tongued bull****ter I've ever seen (but that is only my personal opinion).

Truth be told: I think all the candidates suck - but he's the worst choice by far.

Shamroc

[Raptor]

If you don't like him from the get-go you're not going to like his speech no matter what. Same could be said for me when it comes to Hillary or Giuliani.

Originally posted by shamroc
- Refuses to wear a US flag pin on his tie

I personally like this about him. Who says you have to be like everyone else to be patriotic? To me it feels like he is being more patriotic by not wearing it.

I agree with you on the National Anthem statement

Your statements regarding Oprah, his speech, drugs and Muslim upbringing come across as just searching for some sort of an excuse not to like him.

As for inexperience:
Just how much would congressional experience help one in the role as President? They are two separate branches of the government, the president no longer has the power to introduce a bill to congress. If he wants a bill introduced to congress he has to get a congressman to introduce it for him. He can however support legislation, threaten to veto, etc.

I think the Muslim upbringing would be a strong point for him in foreign policy. Even though he says he is now a Christian, he at least understands the Islamic religion better than most Americans do, which is probably an important thing considering our current state with the middle east...

As for anti-second amendment statement, I don't know his stance on the issue. I'll take your word for it that he wants to ban certain types of guns and/or make it more difficult to acquire a gun.
My personal opinion for guns is (note I come from a family that owns several guns and hunts frequently) that hunting rifles/shotguns/compact bows are fine. I'll even go as far as saying guns like the .45 magnum  and similar revolvers are understandable. However I think it should be more difficult to acquire small firearms such as the 9mm which are not practical for hunting. I do not hunt nor own guns myself, therefore I would not be affected if strict gun acquisition laws were put into effect.

In response to something someone said earlier:
Also the second amendment is the most misinterpreted amendment. Someone said "If they get rid of the second amendment from the bill of rights, what is to keep them from getting rid of the rest?"
Answer: Nothing. Amendments can be changed by making a new amendment. Ever hear of Prohibition?

In these election year debates... people tend to give the president more credit than deserved. The president cannot amend the constitution. There are three ways to amend the constitution. 2/3 vote in congress then ratified by 2/3 states, State conventions, and Supreme Court Rulings.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Raptor
In these election year debates... people tend to give the president more credit than deserved. The president cannot amend the constitution. There are three ways to amend the constitution. 2/3 vote in congress then ratified by 2/3 states, State conventions, and Supreme Court Rulings.

Uh, no. There are two ways to amend the constitution, neither of which includes the Supreme Court.

Article V: Amendment Process

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

[Raptor]

You're right, my mistake. Was thinking there were 3 ways to make laws and the third was an unofficial supreme court route thanks to judicial review.

My point remains though.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Raptor
You're right, my mistake. Was thinking there were 3 ways to make laws and the third was an unofficial supreme court route thanks to judicial review.

Well, the reality may be (has been imo) that you're right, the SC actually does amend the constitution though it is utterly unconstitutional.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Raptor

I personally like this about him. Who says you have to be like everyone else to be patriotic? To me it feels like he is being more patriotic by not wearing it.

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uhhh.. you are ok with him granting amnesty to all the illegals here and opening our borders?  Just wondering.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by AKIron
Well, the reality may be (has been imo) that you're right, the SC actually does amend the constitution though it is utterly unconstitutional.

Show me one example please?

[AKIron]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
Show me one example please?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade

for starters

Whatever happened to the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of
happiness?



another: http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/24/scotus.property/

more to come



I'm done, two is enough for me.

[Raptor]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
uhhh.. you are ok with him granting amnesty to all the illegals here and opening our borders? Just wondering.

Not sure why you quoted that part of what I said in context to your question. What does patriotism have to do with immigration policies?
Amnesty, yes. I can't think of a feasible way to "round up" 12+ million people spread throughout the US efficiently. Grant them US Citezenship so they pay the same taxes I do, then that is perfectly fine.
Open borders, no. Would be better off to absolve Mexico in to the US.

Originally posted by SteveBailey
Show me one example please?

Brown vs Board of Education

[FrodeMk3]

Wow, I dunno, Rap, I'd differ on:

Just how much would congressional experience help one in the role as President? They are two separate branches of the government, the president no longer has the power to introduce a bill to congress. If he wants a bill introduced to congress he has to get a congressman to introduce it for him. He can however support legislation, threaten to veto, etc.

It's not really inexperience per se, but a lack of a record that shows' exactly what issues he does support. If he had more time in office as a senator, we could show his actual standing on a lot of issues' that he talks so boldly about. In essence, we don't know him from adam.

I think the Muslim upbringing would be a strong point for him in foreign policy. Even though he says he is now a Christian, he at least understands the Islamic religion better than most Americans do, which is probably an important thing considering our current state with the middle east...

That's a double-edged sword. It might make him too soft in dealings' with some other nations. Plus, It will discredit him to the Christian right in the U.S.

As for anti-second amendment statement, I don't know his stance on the issue. I'll take your word for it that he wants to ban certain types of guns and/or make it more difficult to acquire a gun.

I haven't really seen the 2nd, or any kind of gun control, really come up as an issue yet this campaign. That leaves a big question for many voters, as there are very many other issues' on the table at this time. It does, however, leave the possibility of a suprise political 'left hook', in the form of a hidden agenda that doesn't appear until he's in office. For that, one might see if he has affiliations' with someone like the Brady Coalition.

In these election year debates... people tend to give the president more credit than deserved. The president cannot amend the constitution. There are three ways to amend the constitution. 2/3 vote in congress then ratified by 2/3 states, State conventions, and Supreme Court Rulings.

Your right, there. However, the president can exercise the power of a Veto. That's how that end of it works, and the oval office can use that as leverage even in the senate or House.

[SIG220]

Originally posted by shamroc
Things I don't like about Obama - and this is all my own personal opinion:
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- Refuses to put his hand over his heart during the national anthem.
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Is that really a relevant issue, though?   Many Obama supporters are calling it dirty "mud slinging" that is not relevant.  Must a President show respect to the National Anthem when it is played??   Should he also sing the song?

I have questioned this too, but then I found out that a photo of the event was taken, and is available for viewing in many places:




 
I have to admit that this image is a bit unnerving, now that I have seen it.

SIG 220