Author Topic: whats with the f4u-4 (Read 2083 times)

Stoney74 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 05, 2008, 08:10:27 PM »

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Originally posted by AKDogg
I bet u get more kills in a -4 in 1 flight then u can in a -1c. Heck I bet I can get more kills in a -1 in 1 flight then u can in a -1c in 1 flight. It all in the aim and the 50 cal hogs offer more versatility then the c hog. I rather the 50 cal hogs then the cannon anyday. Only reason I fly a c hog is when I out #'d 3:1 and need to kill quickly instead of tickling my food and also for attacking a field.

I don't disagree with you about the primacy of the -4. I'd rather fly it than the C-Hog any day. But, sadly, most MA'ers will go for the firepower rather than performance...I'm not talking about the decent sticks here, I'm talking about the masses. Hence, my statement that unperking the -4 wouldn't cause hardly anyone, minus the small percentage that appreciate the plane for what it is, to blink.

Going a little off topic here...Its the same philosophy I apply to the Spit 14 perk (what used to be the TA-152 perk) and the P-47N ENY. Just because HTC thinks an aircraft needs a perk or low ENY does not mean that it will always reflect in MA useage. 95% of all P-47N useage is as a bomb-truck, and therefore the 5 ENY is unwarranted, as its true potential is wasted on the MA. Same for the Spit 14. Most of the Spit crowd wouldn't fly it even without a perk, because it doesn't handle as benignly as a 16, 8, or 9. Its true potential is also wasted on the MA.

So to would the F4U-4. Remove the perk and the useage goes up a little, but not in an destabilizing manner. Remove the perk from the F4U-1C, and, well, we know what happens then.

Gooss · « **Reply #16 on:** January 06, 2008, 02:42:09 PM »

The 4hog is an overpriced flying brick. The Chog is an overgunned flying brick. The rest of the hogs are just bricks. They are easy kills. Especially Dhogs flown by rooks. Engage them recklessly.

HONK!
Gooss

Treize69 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 06, 2008, 03:22:58 PM »

Hogs? Bah, they couldn't even be bothered to put the wings on straight.

Sorry Sax, had to.

Saxman · « **Reply #18 on:** January 06, 2008, 06:47:57 PM »

Chicks dig gull wings

whiteman · « **Reply #19 on:** January 07, 2008, 03:43:18 PM »

the goofy winged plane is now my favorite with the -4 at the top of my list. If i wasn't getting shot down so much this tour I'd take it up more.

Krusty · « **Reply #20 on:** January 07, 2008, 03:52:55 PM »

Unperking the -4hog is like unperking the tempest. No matter how much you argue, no matter how much you say "it wouldn't be used!" it would, and in massive numbers, and nobody would fight. It would be 100% runners and cowards, and lord knows there's enough of those in AH already.

whiteman · « **Reply #21 on:** January 07, 2008, 04:36:39 PM »

I can honestly say if the Tempest was unperked i still wouldn't fly it, on the other hand I wouldn't get out of the -4 if it was unperked.

I agree keep it perked, it feels like I've chased more 51's and 190's in the last couple day's than the whole last year. Don't think I want more things to try and run down.

trigger2 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 07, 2008, 05:57:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Treize69
Hogs? Bah, they couldn't even be bothered to put the wings on straight.

Sorry Sax, had to.

Yup I see the joke, but why did they have the gull wings?

Only thing I can think of is to make room for the I do believe 12 foot prop on take off..

SgtPappy · « **Reply #23 on:** January 07, 2008, 06:49:10 PM »

Oh, 13' 4" heheh.
I win.

moneyguy · « **Reply #24 on:** January 07, 2008, 06:52:05 PM »

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Originally posted by trigger2
Yup I see the joke, but why did they have the gull wings?

Only thing I can think of is to make room for the I do believe 12 foot prop on take off..

shorter, stronger landing gear for carrier landings and to make room for the huge pilot cooling fan.

stroker71 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 07, 2008, 11:25:24 PM »

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Originally posted by SgtPappy
Oh, 13' 4" heheh.
I win.

It was a 13'2" prop actually

FYI -the F4u1a has 150 more HP off wep than the F4U4 But that prop is the major factor in it's success

This will get'em going!

Stoney74 · « **Reply #26 on:** January 08, 2008, 12:33:01 AM »

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Originally posted by stroker71
the F4u1a has 150 more HP off wep than the F4U4

You sure about this? I don't think the F4U-1A was pushing 2600 HP was it?

Brooke · « **Reply #27 on:** January 08, 2008, 01:03:17 AM »

According to America's Hundred Thousand, by Dean,

model, military HP, WEP HP, # delivered
F4U-1, 2000, 2000 (no wep), 2469
F4U-1A, 2000, 2135, 3861
F4U-1D, 2000, 2135, 2800
F4U-4, 2100, 2380, 2050

Saxman · « **Reply #28 on:** January 08, 2008, 07:33:55 AM »

Check that last figure for the 1A. Should it be 2861?

Getback · « **Reply #29 on:** January 08, 2008, 09:11:30 AM »

Had a fight with my F4u4 vs a p51, well actually two, and filmed it. It was fascinating to review the film. The f4 would accelerate faster than the 51 but could not out run it. I guess the big engine and the 4 bladed prop account for that. Oh the fight, Shot one down and the other ran. Of course I wouldn't bring it up unless it had a happy ending.