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Offline AKIron

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« Reply #150 on: January 14, 2008, 08:43:20 PM »
It's easier to calmly assess a threat when you aren't the target.

Indeed, as Captain Carlson would learn minutes after the Airbus plummeted into the water, the electronic specialists in the Sides combat information center had correctly identified the aircraft's commercial transponder code at virtually the same instant that the Vincennes fired her missiles.



Kewl to hear my surname (sides) used in naming a ship, not a common name, wonder how distant the relation?
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« Reply #151 on: January 14, 2008, 08:47:45 PM »
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I find the below statement to be ambiguous and perhaps even dishonestly so. Just to qualify my bias, I went to a radar school in a class of 9 with 4 of those being Iranian AF warrant officers and 1 Saudi for 10 months in the 70's so I am not completely without connection to Iran.

Indeed, as Captain Carlson would learn minutes after the Airbus plummeted into the water, the electronic specialists in the Sides combat information center had correctly identified the aircraft's commercial transponder code at virtually the same instant that the Vincennes fired her missiles.


Can you elaborate? I'm no expert on any of this stuff, rstel01's comments made me go searching and the reports from peers of the vincenne's made me wonder. So I'm all ears with no preconceptions. Also comments on the video recorded on the vincennes casts some doubt onto his comments.

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« Reply #152 on: January 14, 2008, 08:53:35 PM »
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Can you elaborate? I'm no expert on any of this stuff, rstel01's comments made me go searching and the reports from peers of the vincenne's made me wonder. So I'm all ears with no preconceptions. Also comments on the video recorded on the vincennes casts some doubt onto his comments.


I may have read more into the document you posted than what was intended. Still, it's not much of a stretch to see Iran as provocatively belligerent both yesterday and today.
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« Reply #153 on: January 14, 2008, 10:01:43 PM »
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Your ignorance is not surprising nor is your arrogance. The US Navy along with all other branches of the US military keep a few secrets up their sleeves. I'm no expert but I believe one or two tactical nukes detonated between these "hundreds" of inbound Iranian missiles would at least fry their guidance systems. I've probably spent more time underwater than you have too. Is there anything you really know something about?


Now you want to use nukes?

Is that our American answer to everything...nuke it?
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« Reply #154 on: January 14, 2008, 10:27:54 PM »
Probably a good thing we didn't fire at the little blue boats.

Prank May Have Sparked Gulf Showdown
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Posted: 2008-01-14 19:37:16
Filed Under: World News
CAIRO, Egypt (Jan. 14) - A threatening radio message at the end of a video showing Iranian patrol boats swarming near U.S. warships in the Persian Gulf may have come from a prankster rather than from the Iranian vessels, the Navy Times newspaper has reported.


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A Joke?1 of 4     A threatening radio message that was purportedly sent from Iranian vessels and directed at U.S. warships in the Persian Gulf on Jan. 6 may have been transmitted by a radio heckler, the Navy Times reported. Here, an Iranian Revolutionary Guard officer is seen with what purportedly shows U.S. naval ships in the background during that incident.

A video and audio of the Jan. 6 incident in the Strait of Hormuz featured a man in accented English saying "I am coming to you. ... You will explode after ... minutes."

Cmdr. Lydia Robertson, spokeswoman for the Fifth Fleet in Bahrain, said the Navy was still trying to determine the source of the transmission but believed it was related to the Iranian actions.

"The Iranian boats were coming close to the ships, making aggressive maneuvers and objects were being dropped into the water," she told The Associated Press.

However, the Navy Times, a weekly newspaper published by the Gannett company, quoted several veteran sailors as speculating the transmission could have come from a radio heckler, widely known among mariners by the ethnically insulting term "the Filipino Monkey."

The newspaper, which serves the Navy community, said U.S. sailors in the Persian Gulf have heard the prankster - possibly more than one person - transmitting "insults and jabbering vile epithets" on unencrypted frequencies.

"Navy women - a helicopter pilot hailing a tanker, for example - who are overheard on the radio are said to suffer particularly degrading treatment," the newspaper said Sunday. "Several Navy ship drivers interviewed by Navy Times are raising the possibility that the Monkey, or an imitator, was indeed featured in that video."

Filipino Monkey is a name used by mariners around the globe for someone who uses his radio for unnecessary or inappropriate transmissions.

It also is sometimes used by the prankster himself. Two Navy officers said they have personally been aboard ships elsewhere in the world when all of a sudden they've heard someone from another vessel come on the radio and say, "Filipino Monkey, Filipino Monkey" over and over again in a singsong voice.

U.S. Navy officials at Fifth Fleet headquarters in Bahrain could not immediately be reached for comment. However, Navy officials have said they were unsure where the transmission came from.

The threat, however, ratcheted up tensions in the incident, which began when Iranian patrol boats swarmed around three U.S. Navy vessels near Iranian waters in the Strait of Hormuz.

Iran has denied that its boats threatened the U.S. vessels and accused Washington of fabricating video and audio it released. Iran's government has released its own video, which appeared to be shot from a small boat bobbing at least yards from the American warships.

The Navy Times quoted Rick Hoffman, a retired captain, as saying a renegade talker repeatedly harassed ships in the Gulf in the late 1980s.

"For 25 years there's been this mythical guy out there who, hour after hour, shouts obscenities and threats," he said. "He could be tied up pierside somewhere or he could be on the bridge of a merchant ship," Hoffman said.
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« Reply #155 on: January 14, 2008, 10:28:35 PM »
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Now you want to use nukes?

Is that our American answer to everything...nuke it?


When ya got it, flaunt it.

It is a desperate measure for desperate situation.
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« Reply #156 on: January 14, 2008, 10:37:27 PM »
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. I've probably spent more time underwater than you have too. ?


If it's more than my 3,571 logged dives, congrats.
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« Reply #157 on: January 14, 2008, 10:48:28 PM »
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http://dolphin.upenn.edu/~nrotc/ns302/20note.html


I have heard this amongst other versions as well.  It seems to me, that this LtCol David Evans has an axe to grind.  Funny, I can not find anything else about him online.
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« Reply #158 on: January 14, 2008, 10:49:29 PM »
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If it's more than my 3,571 logged dives, congrats.


TT is the issue.  25 minutes chasing fish isn't diving.
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« Reply #159 on: January 14, 2008, 11:00:47 PM »
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If it's more than my 3,571 logged dives, congrats.


Ya got me beat. Maybe it's time you came up for air?
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« Reply #160 on: January 14, 2008, 11:13:28 PM »
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My thought is that the first launch plumes detected in Iran will result in the GPS system being shut down immediately in that area.  

There might be a small problem after that with those missiles finding their targets.


Might be.. Except that Iranians are buddies with the russians who have their own GPS system running.
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« Reply #161 on: January 14, 2008, 11:52:24 PM »
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Might be.. Except that Iranians are buddies with the russians who have their own GPS system running.


GLONASS is not up to full speed yet.  As of the end of 2007 they still did not have full coverage of Russia and relied on the Navstar or GPS system outside of their coverage.  It is not expected to reach full coverage until 2010.  The last three GLONASS M satellites were launched at the end of last year.  3 GLONASS K's, the new versions, are expected to be launched this year but may not due to budget constraints.  

In the end, it really does not matter as any GPS system can be jammed.  Add to that the fact that if the Russians allowed the Iranians to attack our ships with their abilities, a defacto state of war would exist.  Something that neither the US nor the USSR can afford.
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« Reply #162 on: January 15, 2008, 03:43:47 AM »
I'm sure GPS is used on many attacks around the world today and nobody's declaring war on US because of it. ;)
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« Reply #163 on: January 15, 2008, 05:39:26 AM »
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No, he said we had attacked Iranian assets in direct support of Iraq during the Iraq-Iran War.

Operation Earnest Will was aimed at protecting US reflagged Kuwaiti oil tankers from both Iranian and Iraqi attacks.  


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Which is part of the Reagan's edict to the CIA/NSA that Iraq was not to lose the war against Iran. Reflagged tankers was designed to keep Iraq's war economy supplied, while the US Navy assisted in bankrupting the Iranian efforts.

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« Reply #164 on: January 15, 2008, 08:56:02 AM »
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I'm sure GPS is used on many attacks around the world today and nobody's declaring war on US because of it. ;)


I agree in part Ripley, but if, as GScholz was saying, the Iranians sank all our ships in the Persian Gulf using Russian assistance, I'd bet the US and Russia would be on a totally different footing.

In reality it is probably a here nor there, as the Iranian President and US President are both changing and policies will likely change to one of appeasement anyways.
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