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« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2008, 07:02:16 PM »
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A6m's don't really need good ACM to fight. The plane will out turn just about anything, short of a Huri 1, so you really need no real ACM skills to avoid other pilots. You don't have to worry amount E management and can almost turn blindly in a fight.
 
You've completely missed the point. The A6M is not a good trainer because of what CAN do but because of what it CANNOT do. Its not fast, it can't dive, and it has mediocre guns at best. The fact that it is slow mean E managment is a MUST. If your gonna make kills on BnZ planes, you've got to master the merge. I used to fly the A6M religiously and have had High Profile sticks whine about my "Super Zeke" out climbing there K4s. Of course this is just my opinion. I could be wrong.:aok
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« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2008, 07:06:25 PM »
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The only time LA's that  tick me off is when they climb for ground level to 6k with no issues at all.  There are very few times I really worry about an LA7, unless my plane is damaged or I'm out numbered.

The plane I hate the most, is the Nikki.. Not because it's that great of a plane, but because 99% of the dweebs that fly them do "nothing" and I mean "nothing" but HO. It's almost a given if you see a Nikki that he will try to HO you. Rams and HO's are about the only ACM most nikki pilots know how to do, it's sad too because the plane turns pretty well and there is almost no reason to HO in it.

LA's in most cases are so easy to out turn, the only time I really consider them a threat, is if I'm out numbered or if my plane is shot up.  If it's a 1 on 1, I'm rarely ever worried about an LA. Simply because 9 out of 10 people who fly them have no clue how to use the plane. So in most cases, soon as you get on their six, they run away like a little school girl.

Spit 16's don't even bug me at all, I typically look at any spit as a easy kill, simply because it's so easy to knock the wings off them.
You've obviously encountered noone who can turn the La7 well.    THIS is a funny post.
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« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2008, 07:14:51 PM »
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« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2008, 07:31:12 PM »
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You've completely missed the point. The A6M is not a good trainer because of what CAN do but because of what it CANNOT do. Its not fast, it can't dive, and it has mediocre guns at best. The fact that it is slow mean E managment is a MUST. If your gonna make kills on BnZ planes, you've got to master the merge. I used to fly the A6M religiously and have had High Profile sticks whine about my "Super Zeke" out climbing there K4s. Of course this is just my opinion. I could be wrong.:aok


No I didn't miss your point, I'm disagreeing with your point and stating why I disagree with it. I know the zeek is very slow, the Huri 1 is also very slow. The difference in the two is the A6m is one of the best climbers in the game and will pretty much out turn anyone and you really need no skills to do it.

On the flip side the Huri 1 will also out turn just about anything in the game, but it climbs like a brick compared to a zeek. Also the H1 takes a bit more "proper" ACM tactics to manage your E.

The point I was making is the A6m takes really zero knowledge of ACM or E management abilities. Which is the reason I think it's not a very good trainer, simply because it's very easy to pick up bad habits in it.

Again I didn't miss your point, I just disagree with it.
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« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2008, 07:31:12 PM »
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« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2008, 07:34:24 PM »
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You've obviously encountered noone who can turn the La7 well.    THIS is a funny post.


Did I say no one can turn in the La7? No I didn't I said most of the players whom fly it, have no clue how to fly it. Yes I've had my butt kicked by good pilots in the LA7, but those pilots are few and far between.

I know you don't like me Mash.. but quit trying to start a flame in every topic, it gets old..
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« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2008, 07:35:47 PM »
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You've completely missed the point. The A6M is not a good trainer because of what CAN do but because of what it CANNOT do. Its not fast, it can't dive, and it has mediocre guns at best. The fact that it is slow mean E managment is a MUST. If your gonna make kills on BnZ planes, you've got to master the merge. I used to fly the A6M religiously and have had High Profile sticks whine about my "Super Zeke" out climbing there K4s. Of course this is just my opinion. I could be wrong.:aok
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« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2008, 07:48:01 PM »
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as the favorite ride of the masses?

Seems like I'm seeing them more and more after what seemed to be a bit of a down swing.

Most if not all seem to be firing from 1K+ out and going light speed too.

Seemed to be nothing but LAs, N1Ks and Spit 16s yesterday.
IMO what has happened is this . . .

The DGS campaign is over, and people are slowly returning to old rides.

When DGS was announced, I noticed a very large upswing in P-51, 109 and 190 usage.  This was maintained for quite some time.  Now the numbers of P-51s I see seem to be slowly tapering off.  In my case, they seem to be replaced more by spitfires of various types rather than LAs, but YMMV.
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« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2008, 07:52:44 PM »
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The plane I hate the most, is the Nikki.. Not because it's that great of a plane, but because 99% of the dweebs that fly them do "nothing" and I mean "nothing" but HO. It's almost a given if you see a Nikki that he will try to HO you. Rams and HO's are about the only ACM most nikki pilots know how to do, it's sad too because the plane turns pretty well and there is almost no reason to HO in it.
It's a conspiracy, I tell you!!  I fly my N1K at an enemy con, wanting him to turn so I can use my maneuverability to its full extent, but all they want to do is HO!!  How dare they negate my uber-ride's abilities and awesome 1337 ACM skills by not turning away!!!!

:lol

If you are constantly getting HOed, you are doing something wrong.
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« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2008, 07:56:01 PM »
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It's a conspiracy, I tell you!!  I fly my N1K at an enemy con, wanting him to turn so I can use my maneuverability to its full extent, but all they want to do is HO!!  How dare they negate my uber-ride's abilities and awesome 1337 ACM skills by not turning away!!!!

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If you are constantly getting HOed, you are doing something wrong.


I didn't say I "get" Hoed.. I said they "try" to Ho. :aok
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« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2008, 07:58:01 PM »
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I didn't say I "get" Hoed.. I said they "try" to Ho. :aok
Point.
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« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2008, 08:02:33 PM »
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If you need a hand patting your own back, let Adonai know.  I'm sure you two could mutually satsify each other.


Yeah figures you would have another constructive comment. Why dont you troll some other post for attention
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« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2008, 08:09:07 PM »
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I didn't say I "get" Hoed.. I said they "try" to Ho. :aok


I'm with Crockett on this one, I always begin an evasive maneuver very early on if I end approaching a N1k head-to-head. It's a safe bet that they will take a HO shot if you leave it open (hoping for a guns-dry first pass).

Given that I fly 109s a lot..... evade and go up. If they try to turn back around.... keep going, flaps out, keep going, roll back down and drop the hammer..
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« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2008, 08:13:10 PM »
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IMO what has happened is this . . .

The DGS campaign is over, and people are slowly returning to old rides.

When DGS was announced, I noticed a very large upswing in P-51, 109 and 190 usage.  This was maintained for quite some time.  Now the numbers of P-51s I see seem to be slowly tapering off.  


They are not. P-51 still being the plane with most "usage", there is no notable change yet.

Current tour plane usage (based on all planes):

1. P-51D, 6.2%
2. La-7, 5.6%
3. Spit 16, 5.4%
4. N1K, 4.8%


Also DGS hat only a minor, if any, influence on MA plane usage:

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« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2008, 08:20:14 PM »
was waiting for lusche to whip out one of his neet charts:D
personally i havent noticed a change in amount of la's that i see.
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