Author Topic: One question.. (Read 1241 times)

Larry · « **on:** January 13, 2008, 06:06:10 PM »

Why is ack set so low? Since the fornt line bases have no towns it just takes one guy to deack. Then him and a buddy run troops in.

Husky01 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 13, 2008, 06:20:22 PM »

Just got done in the AvA. I don't go in there often but when I do I usually have a good time because of the fights.

It was different tonight I logged in only to get vulched ganged and hoed. I stayed for mabey 15 min max because it just wasn't very fun to me. I understand how this sorta setup appeals to some players more then others, it just isn't my cup of tea per say.

AvA Staff members, I can tell that alot of time has been put into this setup and that alot of people have worked hard on it. The numbers are up and more and more players are starting to fly in the AvA with this new setup. So for the AvA staff and majority of the player base this setup is a success. Congrats to you all on that, and thank you for the hard work you all have done to try and improve the AvA.

Like I said its just not my cup of tea I get enough MA game play in the MA. Ill be back in the AvA when the setups focus less on a "Win the War" style and goes back to focusing on the quality fights.

Easyscor · « **Reply #2 on:** January 13, 2008, 06:41:20 PM »

None of the bases are more then ~20 miles apart and some are only ~8 miles apart. The whole thing is designed for very fluid transfer of base ownership which means you may need to up from a different base, but you'll never need to fly far. Since I don't care about score I find it a better challage to up at a vulched field and live to kill a few before the rest get me. Come to think of it, weren't you doing the same thing today?

Husky01 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 13, 2008, 06:54:12 PM »

Yep was trying to up and kill the vulchers with you.

It just didn't work to well lol

Simaril · « **Reply #4 on:** January 13, 2008, 07:30:01 PM »

I gave the new setup a try as well, and got to say I wasnt impressed. There were 16 allied and 8 axis, and all the allied were over one base trying to capture. I upped a jeep as the troops dropped, and with several others we killed all 20 troops.

Died doing that several times, and then tried upping a zeke against the 8-10 f4fs over the base. In the course of many deaths, I got one to auger, and got shots on another. After about 15 minutes, upping against the horde got old. Coming from the next base would be pointless, since there were still 8 or so f4fs against lil ole me. And when things aren't fun, I don't hang around.

Obviously, some players enjoy this stuff, but I'm not one of them. Sorry to say that I fear AvA may turn into just another EW, with a planeset twist

Chapel · « **Reply #5 on:** January 14, 2008, 09:03:12 AM »

Well quite honestly, this arena has changed from the "Loner taking on a fight", to a more Teamwork oriented setup. I was there for an attack on base A20 I think, and while it was frustrating that we couldn't capture it, it was a blast.

We'd organized a mission with a bunch of F4F's and some SBD's. If the axis don't formulate a plan to defend against an attack, or attack a different base at the same time, then yes, it'll be a vulch fest. You HAVE to do that to take a base because it's so difficult to actually get those trooops in.

As for numbers, they'll fluctuate back and forth both ways. I was on earlier when it was lopsided the Axis way, you just have to wait a bit and it evens out.

1redrum · « **Reply #6 on:** January 14, 2008, 11:03:27 AM »

i like this new setup ,, if you want to duel there is a arena for that , now the AvA is the place for teamwork based play with a historical plane set , and maps , brilliant { why didn't someone think of this sooner }

now if you don't like the vulching back up a base , however you were doing well because you held the base , and we as a squad switched sides to even it out , so i don't really see what the crying is all about

bring back the style of play from the old CT , let's see the squad nights in there again , remember Thursdays in the old CT 100 + players was the norm

let the bashing begin

dedalos · « **Reply #7 on:** January 14, 2008, 11:12:33 AM »

Comon guys, nothing really has changed except that now there is an excuse to vulch. Ganging and hoing have always been the main events in the AvA as in the other arenas, including the DA FB area. It does not what matter what the set up is. Oklloks will be Oklloks and the 68th vulchers will be the 68th vulchers no matter the planes or set up.

~~for trying though~~

waystin2 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 14, 2008, 12:33:02 PM »

The AVA is beginning to gather interest outside of it's usual clique of duelers. I think it is a positive change. If there are those that login to AVA for "quality fights", then I respectfully suggest getting together with your dueling friends for some monogamous dogfighting in the DA. It's your 15 bucks, but everyone's arena. Good changes HTC!:aok

Oink

Simaril · « **Reply #9 on:** January 14, 2008, 02:01:57 PM »

OK, I have to eat some crow after earlier speaking in ignorance.

Thought the only change was adding capture to the AvA, but after finally reading the "instructions" in "War Comes to AvA" I see there is much more going on than I realized. This is a different direction, and it deserves some time to see how it works out.

Although I've never considered myself a dogfighting elitist (for one thing, I'm not good enough!

), there's no doubt that I prefer air to air combat. I don't tend to have fun with force disparity, because it's either too easy (when my side's high) or too hard (when their's is). While the setup wasn't fun for me last night, I can see how goal oriented players would have had a different view -- since achieving the goal, rather than combat itself, is the focus.

So best wishes, and I'll stick my head in from time to time!

dedalos · « **Reply #10 on:** January 14, 2008, 03:04:23 PM »

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Originally posted by waystin2
The AVA is beginning to gather interest outside of it's usual clique of duelers. I think it is a positive change. If there are those that login to AVA for "quality fights", then I respectfully suggest getting together with your dueling friends for some monogamous dogfighting in the DA. It's your 15 bucks, but everyone's arena. Good changes HTC!:aok

Oink

yeah, dueling elitist ehh:lol

I logged in Saturday and there were 8 rooks trying to take a base with no one on the other side. So, I switched. I got a TY for switching on 200. I tried to take off and got vulched instantly. I took off again and for some reason someone wanted one more vulch before RTB so he tried, missed, and died. The rest RTBed and landed their building kills. I checked the roster and I was a lone in the arena

Yeah, its a change for the better

waystin2 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 14, 2008, 05:45:04 PM »

Dedalos,

I must admit that I had no previous playtime in the AVA before this current setup. Is it for the better? The only reason I would say yes, is because there are actually folks talking about it on the boards, range, vox, and country text with real interest. This is something that I have not seen in my 8 months of AH time. Up until this time, it has always been described as you have said an "elitist" arena. Please understand that no disrespect is intended on the dueling, it's just not my bag. As far as being drastically outnumbered, I have been there and done that. I will not up a capped field, but I will use every last field gun, up jeeps (love that .50 cal), up from an adjacent field or whatever it takes. I I applaud your willingness to switch sides to make things happen sir! I sincerely hope to see you there, whichever side you are flying.

bustr · « **Reply #12 on:** January 14, 2008, 06:06:44 PM »

I thought we were being asked as squads to commit to and stay on a given side for the duration of the war. Thats why the Pigs have stayed rook even when the bish have enough numbers to keep us engaged fighter to fighter and use fighters and bombers to swamp any other base they wanted.

Last night late my squadie and I took 19 back. We showed up killed the ack then I stayed and killed anyone who upped vulching to protect my goon. Yes I vulched the heck out of two guys. But by then we had 10 troops in and my goon was making the second drop. If this is a war now, was I supposed to play DA with the defenders and get my goon killed? Or if this is a war, kill the enemy to achive the goals of the rook side in this war.

Husky01, if you want DA style fights just come in after 11pm PST. The bish will gladly drive you nuts in AM6's in the DA furball style. But earlier in the evening, this being a war with each country having strategic objectives, everyone plays like they are at war. Hoarding and vulching to get the objective.

Reminds me alot of AW small europe back in the day.

dedalos · « **Reply #13 on:** January 15, 2008, 08:53:46 AM »

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Originally posted by waystin2
Dedalos,

I must admit that I had no previous playtime in the AVA before this current setup. Is it for the better? The only reason I would say yes, is because there are actually folks talking about it on the boards, range, vox, and country text with real interest. This is something that I have not seen in my 8 months of AH time. Up until this time, it has always been described as you have said an "elitist" arena. Please understand that no disrespect is intended on the dueling, it's just not my bag. As far as being drastically outnumbered, I have been there and done that. I will not up a capped field, but I will use every last field gun, up jeeps (love that .50 cal), up from an adjacent field or whatever it takes. I I applaud your willingness to switch sides to make things happen sir! I sincerely hope to see you there, whichever side you are flying.

Well, if you like the change then to you and the rest of the people that like it, the change is for the better. There is no one absolute answer. If I say something is not for the better, it means for me. Not the world, lol.

Now, every time someone says anything about having a fight you guys assume he is looking for a duel. That is not true. Dueling is boring after a few minutes especially when it is hard to find anyone that can back his big mouth.

So, last night at some point the count was 17 to 38. Two fields under constant vulch. I understand this may be fun for some but I don't understand why. There is no strategy, no fighting, no trying, no team work, nothing! People claim there is, but really all it is is "Hey, lets get 20 guys to cap a field! Oh, bob, drop the VH the rest de-ack"

Given that there are 4 arenas that this can be done, I just don't see the point of converting the AvA into an other vulch arena. The past months there has been a move to bring people into the AvA at all costs. The guys that want this did not realize that by making all the changes they would bring more people in, but that would not be the AvA or old CT. So now, there is another EW MA. All you guys will be gone in a few weeks since another MA will get boring.

So, is it better? Maybe for you and some people that have never been there before. Is it better for me? Nop. The difference is, you had 4 MAs. Why did you need a 5th?

Chapel · « **Reply #14 on:** January 15, 2008, 09:02:26 AM »

That's not entirely accurate. We were trying to take A4, we just weren't able to. Everytime we got ack down, and brought in troops one of 2 things happened:

1. Smart axis pilots lifted from surrounding fields were able to shoot down C47's inbound preventing troops from being dropped.

2. Those C47's breaking through (lucky enough to) were countered by mass releases of troops from A4 bomber hangers, which to our dismay were quite determined to keep the home fires safe.

So despite the mass of vulching to keep enemy A/C down, we still had difficulty.