More Spitfires?!

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Bruv119
I still think we should have a perk option for 20mm spits just make it pretty silly.  Say 50-100 perks for the extra cannon.  

Has anyone got any figures on the amount of 3 cannon armed LA7's that fought?

2 20s is plenty.  And there just weren't that many 4 cannon Spits in action and those few that were, did not use them in air combat.

If you want to fill out the Spits all the way, you'd need a Spit II with metal ailerons which would differ from our Spit I in the roll rate.  The Spit Vc with the Merlin 45 for 42-44, the Spit XII and the Spitfire LFIX with full span Universal wing for 1943-44 to go with the LFXVIe that's 1945.

Can we live with out em? Sure, but they'd be fun

[Latrobe]

Originally posted by Guppy35
Can we live with out em?

Noooooooo!!! Must have al spits NOW!!!

[minke]

in reply to Bruv119,there were roughly 368 3 cannon la7's delivered, compared with over 3000 2 cannon La7's.

The La-7 scored 55 victories in the 63rd Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment between September 15th and October 15th 1944.

[Denholm]

^ LaLa dweeb. ^

[Kev367th]

Sgt Pappy -

Also the Seafire L IIc (all IIc's ended up as L IIc's after Merlin 55M refit) - 4 pladed prop and 12 exhaust stacks.

IIc we currently have never lasted long as they realised the Merlin 45/46 wasn't up to the job. The majority were built as L IIc's, the earlier Merlin 45/46 batch refitted with Merlin 55M's.
If memory serves - They only produced the initial batch of IIc's for aprrox 3 months.
Apart from post war Seafires and the first converted Vb's the IIc is the rarest Seafire.
As you said the most common BY FAR was the LIII followed by the LIIc

A LOT of LIII's flew clipped, fully loaded off carriers!!!!!

To have a full range of representative Spits in AH -
Merlin 55M Vc or LIII - One can double for the other.
XII - Pretty important milestone, first Griffon Spit.

Not sure about the LFIX - XVI is a very good standin barring the 2 x .50s.

Maybe for a perked Spit (unperk the XIV it's not worth it) an F.21

Also either the XIV or XVI needs to be boosted so we at least have a 1945 Spit ( I know both were originally boosted Mid - Late 1944, but they would be an option for a 1945 Spit )

Good thing is assuming the models were built modularly they have all the parts to do any of the Spits apart form bubble hood ones.

[SgtPappy]

I have read of Merlin 55M Spitfire V's before, but I could never find a picture with a caption labeled as such. Also, official tests often state that the Spitfire LF V usually had a Merlin 45M, and the only 50-series engine Spitfire V had was the 50/50M.

besides, the Seafire III I believe, was more common with a 55M than a Spitfire LF V with a 55M. Also stated, the Seafire had the 4-bladed prop which is likely to act differently than an LF V's prop. We've also got rockets and bombs on the F/L III. Though, honestly, I'd prefer the F.III because it has a better climb-top speed balance, the L.III was more common and is probably likelier to arrive if any new Seafires arrive.

XII is surely a welcome plan, but it was made in such few numbers; I'd like to have the Seafire added first.

No need for an LF IX; we've got a XVI, though the Merlin 266 is actually supposed to have a differently tuned supercharger, having the stage kick in and kick out alightly above and slightly below respectively when copared to the original Merlin 66 according to the manual.

If a 1945 representation arrives, maybe it will be an FR.XIV? Bubbletop canopy, clipped wings, rear-fuselage fuel tank. Pretty ugly Spitfire if you ask me, but the most accurate representation of a 1945 operational Spitfire.

[Motherland]

Originally posted by SgtPappy
Seafire

Bf.109T

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Motherland
Bf.109T

Never saw combat off of a carrier, unlike the Seafire.


There are definately gaps in the Bf109 lineup that would be great to see filled.  The Bf109T is not one of them.

[Motherland]

Originally posted by Karnak
Never saw combat off of a carrier, unlike the Seafire.


There are definately gaps in the Bf109 lineup that would be great to see filled.  The Bf109T is not one of them.

I know. I was kidding around. Though, the 109Ts were converted back to 109E's and saw combat IIRC.
I would like a 109G10 and 109G6A/S out of seriousness.

[SgtPappy]

Unfortunate that the German navy's only flat-top was never used. I wonder what could have happened if Germany helped Japan as much as the U.S. and Britain helped each other in their battles like D-Day in the ETO or the attacks on Sicily.

Back to the Seafire, I think the F.III would actually be acceptable because it still performed differently when compared with the other Spitfires with a Merlin 55 since the Merlin 55 is a +16 lb boost engine. It would be like putting the old AH:1 Spitfire V back but with a slightly different setup. Sites say that the F.III was quickly replaced by L.III's... does that mean there were never F.III's to fly and fight?

It's weird though... according to the most published data, the Merlin 55M produced about as much hp as a Merlin 61; 1,580 + hp. The Merlin 55 about 1,470 hp. I know that the aircraft with 2-stage supercharging could obviously hit higher speeds since they could fly higher, that 1,580 hp still must do something more than give a Seafire 348 mph even at low altitudes... I mean, that's just slow. If that figure's correct, I think it'd be everyone's best interest to have a Seafire F.III.

[Latrobe]

This is a spitfire thread, whats all this talk about 109's for??

[Motherland]

All your base are belong to Willi Messerschmitt

[SgtPappy]

MEH.
Joseph Smith wins. And R.J. since he made the initial design.
Seafire III ftw!

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by SgtPappy
Unfortunate that the German navy's only flat-top was never used. I wonder what could have happened if Germany helped Japan as much as the U.S. and Britain helped each other in their battles like D-Day in the ETO or the attacks on Sicily.

Back to the Seafire, I think the F.III would actually be acceptable because it still performed differently when compared with the other Spitfires with a Merlin 55 since the Merlin 55 is a +16 lb boost engine. It would be like putting the old AH:1 Spitfire V back but with a slightly different setup. Sites say that the F.III was quickly replaced by L.III's... does that mean there were never F.III's to fly and fight?

It's weird though... according to the most published data, the Merlin 55M produced about as much hp as a Merlin 61; 1,580 + hp. The Merlin 55 about 1,470 hp. I know that the aircraft with 2-stage supercharging could obviously hit higher speeds since they could fly higher, that 1,580 hp still must do something more than give a Seafire 348 mph even at low altitudes... I mean, that's just slow. If that figure's correct, I think it'd be everyone's best interest to have a Seafire F.III.

Approx 100 F.III's built, the overwhelming majority were L.III's (over 1,100), so the F.III is hardly representative.
In fact it's as bad as our current IIc as being a representative Seafire.

Some of the F III's were converted to FR.III's.

At low levels the Seafire III is almost as fast as an F IX, but with better acceleration and climb.

Hell, I'd settle for a proper L.IIc in place of the current frankenstein.

[Gowan]

im pulling the 109 back in here, i want the bf109-g10